Statement from North Texas FTC Volunteers

Earlier today, in a post that has since been hidden from their news page, FIRST in Texas published an official statement regarding the cancellation of the Early Bird Qualifier and their perspective. This statement from FIRST in Texas so deeply misrepresents the situation at hand that we, as long-term members of the North Texas FTC community, wanted to provide commentary on what actually occurred here and why.

FiTs Post: Note to our Community: FIRST Tech Challenge in Texas - FIRST in Texas : FIRST in Texas

Disclaimers, Position, and Call to Action

Before reviewing our comments please read the following disclaimers and position of the volunteers:

Disclaimer

We, as key volunteers of North Texas FTC, do not speak for Lon Cherryholmes, the FTC Program Delivery Coordinator of North Texas. The information shared below are conclusions drawn from our own experience with FiT and are not intended to represent Lon Cherryholmes’ opinions.

Position of the Volunteers:

We support Lon Cherryholmes as our local FiT representative.

Request for Remedy:

We ask that FIRST in Texas take the following steps to make this right

  • Reinstate the qualifier as an official advancing event
  • Issue an apology to the teams affected by their statements
  • Issue an apology to the North Texas planning committee for accusations of collusion with teams
  • In the future: work with the volunteers and teams first before issuing guidance on how to proceed.

Texas Model

FiT Claimed:

“In 2019, we worked with then local leadership to draft the “Texas Model” that FIRST approved in 2020. It aligned with the diverse needs of our state that provided a consistent method of engagement for our young Texans. This initially established Texas as a “League Play” environment. “

“The Texas Model was developed with input from regional leaders in 2019 and was approved by FIRST in 2020.”

Volunteer Commentary:

As long-time volunteers, we have encountered the so-called “Texas Model” a few times during our tenure. This proposed model was first discussed in 2019. At that time, FTC in Texas had five distinct Regions (North, West, Central, South, and East). North, South, and East were not under FIRST in Texas at the time. FIRST in Texas worked with the Partner Organizations in North, South, and East (as well as Texas Tech, who managed West on FiT’s behalf) to create a proposal for a State Championship model. Since each region was considered its own entity at the time, a state championship had to be approved by all PDPs and FIRST. Some members of FiT tried to implement in versions of this State Championship Proposal restrictions around models of play for the entire state. However, the version ratified and approved by FIRST in no way dictated the expected play models in Texas, beyond providing a long term goal of moving the state to league play.

In fact, following the quote “approval” of this model, North continued to run primarily qualifiers until the 2022-2023 PowerPlay season.

If this “model” was later ratified by the FiT board of directors, that has never been communicated to us and we were not aware of this limitation.

In the 2023-2024 season, the then FTC Operations Manager at FiT created the Competition Model Manual linked in the post (Texas Model). Though she wishes to stay out of the fray, she offers the following comments to the record:

“When I created this manual the singular focus was to explain how advancement worked in Texas. We had just merged from four separate regions into one single region and I wanted to accommodate for the different versions of advancement and play in each area. This was never intended to be a firm example of all states of play, and did not account for the last call qualifier since that event was unique to North.

When I was at FiT, I had multiple conversations with the executive director about qualifiers and reintroducing them to which he gave his blessing and told me that he believed in the North PDC and I to handle North as needed. The executive director never once said that this state of play needed to be approved by the board. And in fact in my time working for FiT as the FTC Operations Manager I was not aware that there was a formal mechanism for board approval needed in order to put on events when a clear need was demonstrated. It was my understanding that it was up to the discretion of the PDC to plan events for their area.”

So while FiT claims this was a known model, even their previous FTC Operations Manager was unaware of this being a firm model that required board-level approval to change.

Last Call Qualifier:

FiT Claimed:

“For the 2022 – 2023 season, with feedback from our North Texas community, we introduced the “Last Call Qualifier” as a pilot program, for rookie teams that were still being impacted with supply chain issues or rural teams facing significant transportation cost challenges without local funding. This accommodation is part of FIRST in Texas’ broader efforts to grow access to our programs, not just in metro areas, but also in support of rural and underserved communities.

We now have the ‘Last Call Qualifier’ available in all five sub regions of Texas, ensuring this crucial resource is available statewide. The local Program Delivery Coordinator is responsible for activating the Last Call Qualifier as needed based on registrations and feedback from their community.”

Please note: the initial release of this document stated that the Last Call Qualifier was first piloted in 2023-2024.

Volunteer Commentary:

FIRST in Texas claims they introduced a last-call qualifier in North in 2023-2024, but this is categorically false. They have now adjusted their statement to update dates. See the first recorded Last Call Qualifier here: USTXNOFMQ FTC Event Web : Event Information

North Texas FTC swapped from a majority qualifier model to a majority league model in the 2022-2023 PowerPlay season. We were told by FiT that we needed to be majority leagues, but we kept and maintained a last-call qualifier for rookie teams who did not sign up early enough to compete in leagues. As far as we were aware, as long-time representatives of North, this was not a pilot program by FiT; this was an event that occurred in only North due to need.

Prior to the recent developments that led to this decision, neither West nor Central had any plans on their season schedules for a Last-call qualifier. See below where Centrals most recent season schedule (posted on their padlet) does not have any qualifiers in their season schedule. If this was a plan to roll out across the state this season it was not in any prior communications until this situation arose.

Additionally this statement says “all five sub regions of FiT”. However, East (Houston) is not under FiT and is a separate PDO from North, South, Central, and West. FiT cannot make these claims on Houston’s behalf.

Ensuring Parity Across Texas Together

FiT Claimed:

“On October 1, 2024, we were contacted by a FIRST Tech Challenge coach with concerns there were two Qualifiers established in his Area to directly support the request of 14 teams, with over 85% of the teams from one school that also travels and participates in the FIRST Robotics Competition program.”

Volunteer Commentary:

All three NTX qualifiers (including the Last Call qualifier) were intended to be 32-36 team events. The idea was that any team who wanted to opt out of leagues would have the option to compete in two qualifiers as a replacement. Any teams in leagues could opt into one qualifier. There were 14 teams who had previously competed in C-League (the league that these qualifiers were replacing), so they were guaranteed spots in these two qualifiers. In order to broaden the experience for those teams, and prevent teams in those two events from having preferential opportunities to advance, the qualifiers would also be available for other teams in the area to compete at. Historically, traditionally top teams – teams likely to advance to the Area Championship in any event – take the top advancement spots at these early-season tournaments. This would ensure that for the 14 teams ensured spots in these two qualifiers, they would have to still outperform other teams in the area in order to achieve advancement. Having some teams “advance early” would also free up advancement spots in later League Tournaments which helps other teams to obtain advancement.

These qualifiers were never intended to be only a specific 14 teams. We expressed this to FiT multiple times in the ensuing conversations. FiT’s statement seems to imply that these two qualifiers were only for the 14 teams competing which is untrue.

FiT Claimed:

Original Release Version: “FIRST in Texas reviewed the concerns, interviewed our staff, and connected with others within that Area. We found that the local planning committee and our coordinator, during the summer, and at the behest of the school mentor, worked outside the scope of what they were allowed to do without approval in a few key areas.”

Updated Release Version: “FIRST in Texas reviewed the concerns, talked with our staff, the local planning committee, and connected with others within that Area. We found that the local planning committee and our coordinator, during the summer, and at the behest of the school mentor, worked outside the scope of what they were allowed to do without approval in a few key areas.”

Volunteer Commentary:

Please note the timeline here:

  • May 2024 - the previous FTC Operations Manager left her role with FiT
  • Late August 2024 - The new FiT Operations Manager started at the end of August
  • September 7th - North FTC PDC announced the season schedule to North Texas teams, including the qualifier
  • Late September 2024 - former C-league teams completed the Regional Registration fee ($300)
  • October 1st - Coach complained directly to FiT Executive Director
  • October 5th - The local planning committee was informed that the event was going to be canceled.
  • October 8th - A call happened with selected local key volunteers and the new FiT operations manager
  • October 9th - Qualifier event organizers send an appeal directly to FiT
  • October 9th - Appeal was denied by FiT Executive Director

So, during the most critical time for season planning, North Texas planners were left without guidance or a formal way to contact FIRST in Texas about season planning. In previous seasons similar changes and suggestions had gone through without objection by FiT.

When the previous operations manager left, she said that she had been given the green light to explore qualifiers in more depth. Since there was no “formal approval process” that she (or anyone else in North Texas) was aware of, we proceeded with exploring the model that best fit the needs of the teams in our region.

FiT’s claim that they communicated with the planning groups to get insight into this is a false narrative. By the time we were included as part of the discussion, the decision had already been made to cancel the upcoming event. No feedback or appeal we provided on why the event should remain seemed to matter.

Additionally, despite our appeals and feedback, it’s clear that they still do not understand the intention of the event since they seem to believe that these were geared to serve only “14 teams.”

FiT Claimed

“This in no way aligns to the “Texas Model” and equitable delivery of programs that we promote in Texas. FIRST in Texas leadership made the decision to change one of the two events to a “scrimmage / non-advancing” and left the second event as a “Qualifier” to allow those 14 teams, not wanting to compete in League Play, to earn possible advancement for this season. Our decision involved discussions with our management team and we decided that since the season had already started, that canceling both events could possibly impact the teams ability to join a league as they have done in previous years.”

Volunteer Commentary:

FiT’s claim is that having qualifiers is “not equitable”. FiT claims that having a mix model of play, is “not equitable”. That organizing events to work best for the teams who are competing, is not equitable.

FiT for many years has misunderstood equitability. To them “equality = equitability”. That an equal playing field is preferred over a level playing field. They believe that all regions of Texas should look and play the exactly the same. However, the core issue is that Texas is so large geographically, diversity, and in number of teams that trying to make things exactly the “same” is actually a disservice to the teams competing in these areas. West, which is comprised almost entirely of rural town teams, has different competitive needs than North which is comprised of a lot of inner city teams. Even within North we have a special league targeted to our rural teams, since their needs are different from those of the inner city and suburban teams. Our community is rich and diverse. In FiT’s version of trying to substitute “equality” (identical) for “equity” (level), FIRST in Texas is working counter to their mission, and closing more teams out of the program, particularly those teams that are underrepresented or underserved to begin with.

We are being told the cancellation of the event is because we “circumvented process”. But we were unaware of any specific process that needed to take place to approve this event, as these have not historically been in place. This process is a new construct being created whole cloth and in real time, seemingly prompted by a local mentor complaint with little knowledge of the actual facts. FIRST in Texas takes the position that our perceived transgressions warrant taking away an event opportunity from underserved students.

Final Thoughts:

In our experience FiTs lack of trust in the community, their inability to strategize, their incapability to remember details, their proclivity to lie about reasons for actions and decisions and their appalling reactions to feedback make them a very difficult to work with and in turn make FIRST in Texas a challenging organization to support as a volunteer.

Working with FiT is a vicious cycle of:

  • They ask you for help in planning or executing events
  • You ask for more context and details on processes or how to go about it but get no answers
  • You make the choice to do something based on your knowledge of the program in the hopes FiT will approve
  • Fit finds out about it, disapproves, and instead of recognizing that their lack of processes are responsible for the miscommunication, they berate you or blame you for going against them
  • You provide feedback and examples of how you tried to work them or why you did what you did but their position remains despite your feedback
  • FiT decides you can no longer be trusted and implements arbitrary restrictions or management over you that are inconsistently applied
  • Rinse and repeat.

FiT does not understand the community or how to execute on the program. Any attempt, kind or otherwise, to provide context or feedback on how to resolve the issue is dismissed. From our experience with FiT, they truly believe that as the leaders of this program in Texas, their way is the most right and while they are good at saying things like “Always Evolving and Listening to our Community” in words, in short order they actively dismiss the concerns expressed by that very community.

The truth is that “Always Evolving and Listening to our Community” is actually “listening to small pockets of preferential voices without regards to the facts.”

At the end of the day the FIRST community is one that values teamwork, collaboration, and professionalism. Our core ethos is centered around building young professionals to be “More Than.” To not only excel at their roles as engineers, but their roles as team members, as communicators, and as leaders. Our programs rely on these values and rely on volunteers who exhibit these values.

FIRST in Texas will never succeed under the current leadership because they will never understand what the programs or community need. They will never be able to listen and to celebrate the successes we have as a team because the only successes that matter to them are the ones they are “in complete control of.”

When you look up the qualities of a leader you find things like: active listener, visionary, creative, courageous. By refusing to communicate with the community on this issue - the FIRST in Texas board continues to show that they are not listening. When every year we lose more and more of the rural and underserved communities FiT claims to serve, with no clear solutions on the horizon - they show that they are not visionaries. When the only special programs they have released in years are poor ripoffs of ones that FIRST already offered (like the Texas Mentors and Professional Development Trainings) they are not being creative, they are not engaging in partnership – they are seeking command and control. And when they refuse to allow changes to be made to an archaic model of play- they show that they are not courageous enough to embrace change. If we were to rate FiT Leadership on the very values we look for in our students - we would say “needs improvement.”

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I don’t really trust FiT at all, but why should I trust the Volunteer Commentary? Who is this coming from? Specifically what volunteer roles?

I don’t know any of the volunteers, but Lauren PeCoy (who posted this) seems like someone pretty important in FTC Vokunteering, given 1 Google search turned up her being awarded with a Volunteer Award at the FiT North Championship, and also her role being the Volunteer Coordinator.

While she is the only volunteer I can find related to this, I have confidence based on her qualifications and people in other threads that this statement is trustworthy, especially when compared to FiT.

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Random anonymous troll named Clodsire demands to know who is behind this letter, posted by someone who puts their name and team number in their account.

Dedicated members of their community owe these anonymous bystanders answers! Be better.

/s obviously touch grass Clodsire :upside_down_face:

Pulling for all the folks in North TX doing the boots-on-the-ground, majority volunteer work to make STEM opportunities available for kids in their community. Keep your heads held high!

-Mike

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The statement itself identifies that it is coming from “key volunteers of North Texas FTC”.

In FIRST Tech Challenge, the key volunteer roles include: Volunteer Coordinator, Head Referee, Judge Advisor, Field Supervisor, FIRST Technical Advisor, Lead Robot Inspector, Lead Field Inspector, and Lead Scorekeeper. (Source: 2023-2024 FTC Volunteer Coordinator Manual, page 6)

Hopefully this answers your question of “Specifically what volunteer roles?”

Retaliation from FiT is a very prevalent concern of volunteers in Texas, so it’s reasonable that some would want to make their views known without publicly identifying themselves. I know that specific retaliation (removal from event role) and unjustified insinuations of bias have already been directly leveled by FiT leadership at specific key volunteers in NTX in conjunction with this event cancellation.

Pm

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This was the most cohesive rebuttal I have ever had the pleasure of reading. I wish this situation didn’t exist, that these students and teams weren’t being hurt in the crossfire, but I am glad to see how you responded.

Very GP and I think it should stand as a good example for future readers no matter the final outcome.

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As a dedicated East Texas volunteer I appreciate the support from California for all of my North Texas friends.

To my fellow volunteers in North Texas:

I want you to know that as a deeply concerned East Texas volunteer who is disappointed with how the current situation has been handled by our current Executive Director I stand by all of you. This is not just isolated incident in North Texas. This affects ALL of us across Texas. You are not alone. You deserve better. Our students deserve better. We the statewide community of Texas, deserve better.

If I didn’t have prior family related commitments I would be up there supporting you in person on the 26th of October.

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I’m not an anonymous “troll”, I’m not putting my team name because I don’t want random internet strangers to know the approximate location. The reason I asked is because I’m naturally a skeptic. We are being presented with two differing versions of what happened: one version from FiT, and one version from FTC key volunteers. I wanted to know why I should believe the version presented by FTC volunteers. Based on what @FinIce and the robochargers have said, I believe their position over FiT.

One last thing: @Michael_Corsetto @kingc95 @gerthworm if you have a problem with my posting, message me privately about it. Don’t clog up public forums with your mudslinging. You think I’m a troll but taking threads off topic to complain about my posting makes you no better than you think I am.

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Unpopular opinion: they should not do such a thing. Since you insist on anonymity, there is no way to tell how old you are, and all three people you have pinged are very much adults, and you appear to be a student (you’ve mentioned being a captain of a team from Pennsylvania that won RAS and went to worlds before as best I can recall) it makes sense that responsible adults will not DM you out of respect for YPP, and common sense.

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No. YPP concerns aside, you seem pretty unwilling to listen to the advice of others. My reason for posting is so others don’t fall into the same logical trap you are currently refusing to get out of.

Skepticism is not an excuse for ignorance.

Laurens credentials are sound. There’s no reason currently to believe there’s an attempt at deceit here. Unless someone can produce significant evidence otherwise, these concerns are real and very frustrating for Texas teams, and deserve attention.

I’m not sure what I can do to directly help the situation, other than at least listening and reading the details here. But I am worried. FIRST runs on the power of volunteers, and that sort of organization needs to give them a reason to keep coming back year after year. Regardless of who ends up being “right or wrong” in this situation, the frustrations of the volunteers need to be addressed so they don’t all dissapear at the same time.

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Mike from the top rope I’m so here for it

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Deleted off-topic posts about setting records for thumbs-down reacts.

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I would recommend to check out this thread if you wanted to go fully anonymous, there are reasons people put names and team numbers behind their statements on CD

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Oh gosh. This is a lot to take in. So well written though. I appreciate the time and effort you put into this to make such a clear statement. I recognize that I don’t know much about how all of this works, as my boys are still new to robotics, but I’m worried about the leadership in place that would cause such conflict. I have enjoyed the FIRST core values my kids have been engaging in. I would expect the adults responsible for the program would employ the same values. I have encountered plenty who do, but this is disheartening. Thank you for the post

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