*Originally posted by Bill Gold *
**http://www2.usfirst.org/2003comp/tmup1.pdf **
All 22 beautiful pages:D .
Great! It explains many of the common questions asked on CD… and the confusions with some of the rules should be cleared up.
That was probably the most useless team update ever.
When can we expect the 100+ questions on the official forums to be answered?
What??? 
SHUs are rounded down now? That means turning a bin upside-down does nothing!
It possibly hinders a team from stacking on top of that. That is, if they have a stacking bot that is incapable of either picking something up upside-down or turning something upside-down.
I did think it funny when he said that they were rounded up… ‘He’ being the funny skinny guy who did mostly all the talking at the unveiling. His name escapes me at the moment.
I don’t think they ever said the SHU’s were rounded up. If I remember correctly, they said that by turning a box upside down, it is enough to raise the stack height into the next unit on the measuring pole.
You mean Woodie Flowers. Here’s a bio: http://www.usfirst.org/about/bio_flowers.htm
At the kickoff, I assumed that it was rounded up, considering that Woody went through that whole deal with the measuring stick.
Now that it is rounded down, teams can’t get a free 2x multiplier by flipping a crate.
Darn. 
Well they had an upside-down on top in the 4mb video they put out, it didn’t round up. If they rounded up, that also means a single bin (15-3/4) would be worth 2 SHUs (which are 14-3/4).
Unfortunately, they didn’t answer many of the questions that we wanted them to answer. All we can do is wait then for the next update…
i remember that during the kickoff with woodie and the measure stick and what not… that he said specifically that any bin that crossed into the scoring height of the next bin counts as achieving the height into which it crossed. Therefore 1 box flipped on its side= 2x multiplier. we were kinda counting on that as a free way to double our score but guess its out of the picture now…:mad:
Didn’t it always round down?
That is, assuming that you can’t have a stack of zero whilst there are bins in your scoring zone.
<14.75" = 1
14.75"-29.50" = 2
29.50"-44.25" = 3
etc.
So, a bin tipped on its short side is >14.75" tall; potentially 2.148578379 SHUs tall. Rounded down, that’s 2.
I don’t see this as being a change.
Krass, thats the problem. a box tipped on its side doesnt count as two anymore. its rounded DOWN to 1. therefore one box (no matter how u tip it) is one box, one “stack” high NO.MATTER.WHAT.
the way they are measured is on the stick. the stick goes like this:
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=1 /-----/as you can see by my crude drawing note that any bin upright will always count as one since there is no zero on the meter. when tipped a certain way it will round down to count for 2. that should clear anything up.
1 SHU = 14 3/4 inches. 1 bin in standard position by itself is 15 3/4 high. So according to the SHU stick starting with 1, a bin would be above the 2 mark already.
Will someone clarify all of this really simply please?
Basically, a bin all by itself, in any rotation, is counted as a multiplier of one. Basically, a stack will essentially be counted by the number of bins in it, no matter if they are nested or not.
So, if you have a bin that is like 1.1 SHUs, it is just counted as 1 for a multiplier. Same if the bin is 1.9 SHUs.
*Originally posted by M. Krass *
**That is, assuming that you can’t have a stack of zero whilst there are bins in your scoring zone.<14.75" = 1
14.75"-29.50" = 2
29.50"-44.25" = 3
etc.**
saying that
<14.75" = 0
14.75"-29.50" = 1
29.50"-44.25" = 2
etc.
also means that you can’t have a stack of 0, becasue there is no orientation of a box (except broken) that is less then 14.75"
*Originally posted by Joe Ross *
**saying that<14.75" = 0
14.75"-29.50" = 1
29.50"-44.25" = 2
etc.also means that you can’t have a stack of 0, becasue there is no orientation of a box (except broken) that is less then 14.75" **
I never knew broken was a kind of orientation.
Down to business here, all we really need confirmed is if the SHU measuring stick starts with 0 SHU or 1 SHU
Simply out, Joe must be right. If a box in normal upright orientation was two SHUs, the whole system would collapse…
and my head would explode and the world would end… well maybe not that last part. 
I think what originally was said during the kickoff that it is like this
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However, now the rules have changed so it rounds DOWN. in the team update this is underlined in bold. its my own intuition, so i would say that it indicates an important change. who knows, sanddrag may be right