I understand champs is canceled, but my team qualified by winning the Lake Superior Regional. I wonder if because of this we would pre-qualify for the 2021 championship?
Nobody knows that answer. Literally nobody. Not even HQ. Give it some time, be patient and wait for updates from FIRST HQ.
This might come off as harsh but its the honest truth.
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On top of this, remember that even people with full time jobs to make these decisions have many larger priorities at home now. Kids aren’t at school, some people can’t go into the office, some companies don’t have teleconferences set up yet, and worse is that these people have elderly family members and themselves to worry about.
Please be patient, please be kind. Remember that everyone is fighting a different battle right now with different priorities. Our robotics competition is not important right now in the grand scheme of things.
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According to my count, there were 165 teams qualified to attend one of the 2020 championships (excluding districts). That is too many to prequalify for 2021 unless they reduce the number of standard qualifications or increase the capacity of the championships.
| Team | Qualification method(s) |
|---|---|
| 4 | Winner @ Los Angeles North Regional |
| 8 | Winner @ Utah Regional |
| 16 | Winner @ Arkansas Regional, Hall of Fame Team (2000) |
| 20 | Original and Sustaining Team |
| 27 | Hall of Fame Team (2014) |
| 45 | Original and Sustaining Team |
| 51 | Hall of Fame Team (1997) |
| 67 | Hall of Fame Team (2005) |
| 103 | Hall of Fame Team (2003) |
| 108 | Wildcard @ Palmetto Regional |
| 111 | Hall of Fame Team (2006) |
| 115 | Wildcard @ Los Angeles North Regional |
| 120 | Hall of Fame Team (1999) |
| 126 | Original and Sustaining Team |
| 148 | Original and Sustaining Team |
| 157 | Original and Sustaining Team |
| 167 | Winner @ Lake Superior Regional |
| 175 | Hall of Fame Team (2002) |
| 190 | Original and Sustaining Team |
| 191 | Hall of Fame Team (1992, 1994), Original and Sustaining Team |
| 217 | 2019 Championship Winner (Detroit) |
| 236 | Hall of Fame Team (2009) |
| 250 | Original and Sustaining Team |
| 254 | Hall of Fame Team (2004) |
| 340 | Winner @ Miami Valley Regional |
| 341 | Hall of Fame Team (2010) |
| 359 | Hall of Fame Team (2011) |
| 365 | Hall of Fame Team (2007) |
| 589 | Engineering Inspiration @ Los Angeles North Regional |
| 597 | Hall of Fame Team (2015) |
| 694 | Winner @ Palmetto Regional |
| 701 | Engineering Inspiration @ Utah Regional |
| 876 | Winner @ Great Northern Regional |
| 973 | Winner @ Los Angeles North Regional, 2019 Championship Winner (Houston) |
| 987 | Winner @ Los Angeles Regional, Hall of Fame Team (2016) |
| 1114 | Hall of Fame Team (2012) |
| 1197 | Wildcard @ Los Angeles Regional |
| 1218 | 2019 Championship Winner (Detroit) |
| 1311 | Hall of Fame Team (2018) |
| 1323 | 2019 Championship Winner (Houston) |
| 1325 | 2019 Championship Engineering Inspiration Award Winner |
| 1339 | Wildcard @ Utah Regional |
| 1410 | Winner @ Utah Regional |
| 1511 | Chairman’s @ Miami Valley Regional |
| 1538 | Hall of Fame Team (2013) |
| 1619 | Winner @ Great Northern Regional |
| 1622 | Chairman’s @ Del Mar Regional |
| 1625 | Wildcard @ Midwest Regional |
| 1629 | 2019 Championship Chairman’s Finalist |
| 1678 | Winner @ Los Angeles North Regional |
| 1732 | Wildcard @ Midwest Regional |
| 1758 | Winner @ Palmetto Regional |
| 1787 | Winner @ Miami Valley Regional |
| 1792 | Chairman’s @ Great Northern Regional |
| 1816 | Winner @ Lake Superior Regional, Hall of Fame Team (2019) |
| 1902 | Hall of Fame Team (2019) |
| 1982 | Winner @ Greater Kansas City Regional |
| 1986 | Wildcard @ Greater Kansas City Regional |
| 2022 | Winner @ Midwest Regional |
| 2052 | Winner @ Northern Lights Regional |
| 2096 | 2019 Championship Engineering Inspiration Award Winner |
| 2202 | Chairman’s @ Northern Lights Regional |
| 2283 | Winner @ Regional Monterrey |
| 2338 | Winner @ Midwest Regional, Engineering Inspiration @ Midwest Regional |
| 2357 | Wildcard @ Greater Kansas City Regional |
| 2429 | Chairman’s @ Los Angeles North Regional |
| 2491 | Winner @ Northern Lights Regional |
| 2500 | Engineering Inspiration @ Great Northern Regional |
| 2526 | Chairman’s @ Lake Superior Regional |
| 2557 | 2019 Championship Engineering Inspiration Award Winner |
| 2576 | Wildcard @ Los Angeles Regional |
| 2614 | Hall of Fame Team (2017) |
| 2626 | Winner @ Festival de Robotique a Sherbrooke Regional, Engineering Inspiration @ Festival de Robotique a Sherbrooke Regional |
| 2682 | 2019 Championship Chairman’s Finalist |
| 2834 | Hall of Fame Team (2018), 2019 Championship Engineering Inspiration Award Winner |
| 2905 | 2019 Championship Engineering Inspiration Award Winner |
| 2945 | Winner @ Del Mar Regional |
| 2987 | Engineering Inspiration @ Northern Lights Regional |
| 3008 | Chairman’s @ Canadian Pacific Regional |
| 3132 | Hall of Fame Team (2017) |
| 3245 | Winner @ Utah Regional |
| 3255 | Winner @ Del Mar Regional |
| 3266 | Winner @ Miami Valley Regional |
| 3284 | Chairman’s @ Greater Kansas City Regional, 2019 Championship Engineering Inspiration Award Winner |
| 3293 | Wildcard @ Great Northern Regional |
| 3324 | Engineering Inspiration @ Miami Valley Regional |
| 3341 | Engineering Inspiration @ Del Mar Regional |
| 3360 | Winner @ Festival de Robotique a Sherbrooke Regional |
| 3374 | Chairman’s @ Utah Regional |
| 3478 | Chairman’s @ Regional Monterrey |
| 3598 | Winner @ Canadian Pacific Regional |
| 3646 | Winner @ Bosphorus Regional, 2019 Championship Chairman’s Finalist |
| 3653 | Engineering Inspiration @ Palmetto Regional |
| 3707 | 2019 Championship Winner (Detroit) |
| 3794 | Engineering Inspiration @ Regional Monterrey |
| 3824 | Chairman’s @ Palmetto Regional |
| 3928 | Winner @ Greater Kansas City Regional, Engineering Inspiration @ Greater Kansas City Regional |
| 3937 | Wildcard @ Arkansas Regional |
| 3959 | Wildcard @ Arkansas Regional |
| 3990 | Winner @ Festival de Robotique a Sherbrooke Regional, Chairman’s @ Festival de Robotique a Sherbrooke Regional |
| 3996 | ? |
| 4009 | Engineering Inspiration @ Lake Superior Regional |
| 4020 | Winner @ Palmetto Regional |
| 4087 | Winner @ Arkansas Regional |
| 4182 | Winner @ Northern Lights Regional |
| 4191 | Chairman’s @ Midwest Regional |
| 4201 | Winner @ Los Angeles Regional, 2019 Championship Winner (Houston) |
| 4265 | Chairman’s @ Arkansas Regional |
| 4400 | Chairman’s @ Los Angeles Regional |
| 4481 | 2019 Championship Winner (Detroit) |
| 4499 | Winner @ Greater Kansas City Regional |
| 4522 | Wildcard @ Greater Kansas City Regional |
| 4576 | Winner @ Arkansas Regional |
| 4593 | Winner @ Great Northern Regional |
| 4635 | Wildcard @ Regional Monterrey |
| 4728 | Wildcard @ Lake Superior Regional |
| 4955 | ? |
| 5006 | Engineering Inspiration @ Arkansas Regional |
| 5026 | 2019 Championship Winner (Houston) |
| 5089 | Winner @ Los Angeles North Regional |
| 5124 | Wildcard @ Los Angeles Regional |
| 5133 | Winner @ Regional Monterrey |
| 5348 | Wildcard @ Lake Superior Regional |
| 5464 | Winner @ Lake Superior Regional |
| 5492 | Wildcard @ Miami Valley Regional |
| 5528 | ? |
| 5553 | Engineering Inspiration @ Los Angeles Regional |
| 5655 | Winner @ Istanbul Regional |
| 5672 | 2019 Championship Chairman’s Finalist |
| 5851 | Wildcard @ Del Mar Regional |
| 5887 | Winner @ Regional Monterrey |
| 6000 | Winner @ Los Angeles Regional |
| 6014 | Chairman’s @ Bosphorus Regional |
| 6025 | Chairman’s @ Istanbul Regional |
| 6228 | Wildcard @ Istanbul Regional |
| 6390 | Wildcard @ Canadian Pacific Regional |
| 6485 | Engineering Inspiration @ Canadian Pacific Regional |
| 6486 | Winner @ Canadian Pacific Regional |
| 6560 | Wildcard @ Los Angeles North Regional |
| 6704 | Winner @ Del Mar Regional |
| 6989 | Wildcard @ Bosphorus Regional |
| 7021 | Wildcard @ Northern Lights Regional |
| 7285 | Winner @ Bosphorus Regional |
| 7292 | Winner @ Istanbul Regional |
| 7296 | Wildcard @ Bosphorus Regional |
| 7411 | Winner @ Midwest Regional |
| 7498 | Winner @ Canadian Pacific Regional |
| 7742 | Engineering Inspiration @ Istanbul Regional |
| 7830 | Engineering Inspiration @ Bosphorus Regional |
| 8002 | Rookie All Star @ Great Northern Regional |
| 8006 | Rookie All Star @ Del Mar Regional |
| 8027 | Rookie All Star @ Miami Valley Regional |
| 8070 | Wildcard @ Istanbul Regional |
| 8079 | Rookie All Star @ Istanbul Regional, Winner @ Istanbul Regional |
| 8084 | Winner @ Bosphorus Regional |
| 8092 | Rookie All Star @ Bosphorus Regional |
| 8096 | Rookie All Star @ Midwest Regional |
| 8129 | Rookie All Star @ Los Angeles North Regional |
| 8137 | Rookie All Star @ Palmetto Regional |
| 8159 | Rookie All Star @ Los Angeles Regional |
| 8166 | Rookie All Star @ Festival de Robotique a Sherbrooke Regional |
| 8174 | Rookie All Star @ Utah Regional |
| 8293 | Rookie All Star @ Regional Monterrey |
| 8339 | Rookie All Star @ Canadian Pacific Regional |
| 8416 | Rookie All Star @ Lake Superior Regional |
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Team 3996 qualified through wildcard as 1st pick of the finalist alliance due to winning alliance teams 3990 receiving the Regional Chairman’s award and 2626 receiving the Regional Inspiration Award.
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They could extend the number of teams allowed to compete and add time to the Championship. This is merely one option, and I am sure FIRST HQ will think of others. I agree with others that at this time, safety is the number one concern. Though patience is difficult, it is the best thing for now.
I’d imagine a large chunk of these teams would qualify in 2021 anyway, so we’ll likely just have some messing with wildcard generation.
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Yes, but given that there are two championships, it wouldn’t be that bad. For the 2020 season there are 77 teams that registered for Houston Champs and 65 teams that registered for Detroit Champs. That leaves 23 teams, by your math, that qualified but have not yet registered. That’s about 80 teams per championship, for which slots could easily be created for by elimanating some wild cards.
Has FIRST actually made any 2021 championship announcement? I thought the Detroit/Houston arrangement was only announced through 2020.
Honestly right now I am not sure there is even an announcement that any 2021 championship is happening.
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How many are qualified outside of Original and Sustaining and Hall of Fame teams? Because those teams are going regardless, so there is already space allotted for them at championships
Edit: same with teams that have qualified due to EI or winning at Champs last year, or getting Chairman’s Finalist. Since there is already space allotted for them at championships next year, they shouldn’t really count towards the teams you are counting up here. To my count, this is 49 teams you can subtract from your list. This brings you to 58 teams per champs. At that point I’m guesstimating that probably 3/4 of those qualify again, bringing you to just 15 teams per championship that you need to make room for. Maybe you could solve that issue by saying that any team that qualified for the 2020 championship, they do qualify for the 2021 champs, but if they were not prequalified for the 2020 champs and qualify again at an event in 2021 they do not generate a wildcard? Eg. 254 goes and wins a regional with 1678; 254 generates a wildcard because they were prequalified due to being Hall of Fame, but 1678 does not generate a wildcard because they qualified in season in 2020.
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I looked at the answers… 34 “Permanent” invites, 17 “2019” invites (without duplicates).
117 teams remain on the list. 58 or 59 teams per champs is… doable. It’s actually extremely doable. Eliminate the Regional Wildcard for a year, and you’ve got most of the space, then cut into the waitlist spots.
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Even if you get all these teams to fit in, you’re still excluding district teams since they haven’t had the chance to qualify yet and teams that qualify at “postponed” regionals (which there may be many of). I don’t see any particular reason why the teams that happened to compete in week 1 and 2 regionals should qualify for next year’s championship but everyone else doesn’t even get a chance.
I think it would be a fine move for FIRST just to say sorry, no championship for 2020 qualifying teams. Finish this year with a strong off-season (including as many postponed official events as possible and usual off-seasons) and start fresh next year.
Why won’t it happen?
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No. There will be no rescheduled 2020 championship. Teams that qualified for the 2020 championship won’t be pre-qualified for 2021. If we’re lucky there will be some off season events, and rescheduled regionals/district events if your team can afford them.
I hate to be pessimistic, but the reality is, it’s way easier for FIRST to start fresh for 2021. Our team had a great robot this year. We got to compete Week 1, and even ended up an alliance captain, which is great for a team like ours. Even if events are rescheduled, we have made the decision that our season really is over (except for the offseason event we usually attend, if it happens). Cost, time, and coordination are all factors in this decision. We are not a team that can compete in hypothetical rescheduled events in November, then turn around and start a new season again in January. I think our team is closer to the norm than most of those represented on CD. It’s sad, but it really makes the most sense to expect this to be a “lost year” and hopefully things can get back on track for 2021.
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Source?
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Do you know someone at HQ, or are you just guessing?
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If you are speculating, I disagree. If the count by @forbes is correct, then only about 165 teams qualified for worlds, and a good number would have qualified next year anyway. Additionally, this is split between two championship events. So it may not be hard to squeeze in the extra teams that earned a bid for worlds this year with the teams that get their ticket next year.
I mean I thought it would be obvious that FIRST wouldn’t release info through an anonymous account named “Smoosh,” but I guess I should have added a disclaimer. No I do not speak for FIRST or have any direct knowledge.
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It’s just way easier to continue on next year without any additional planning. It was already a lot of work to get a season going (or at least I’m assuming). Who knows how hard it will be when this all shakes out. You’re right, maybe they’ll make the necessary expansion, but that would surprise me at this point.
You are right, it would be much easier to neglect all the hard these award winning teams put in, but would it be right? Probably not.
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