Texas State Championship (UIL not Worlds)

This thread is a bit premature since the Alamo Regional is still to come in week 6, but with 5 or the 6 Texas regional events in the books I was curious how the rankings looked to see who might be on the invite list for the state championship event that is being held in late May in Austin.

I did my best to use the qualification guidelines listed on the First In Texas website.

I might have given too much credit for the EI and Chairman’s teams by counting them for both the event average then adding them to the final score as described, but that doesn’t change up the rankings too much.

These results are in no way official and mostly use data pulled from The Blue Alliance and manipulated to try account for the adjustments in the qualification points.

According to the site the top 32 UIL eligible FIRST teams will get an invite. I do not know which of these teams meet the UIL criteria so I chose to list the Top 60 ranking Texas teams that have played in a Texas regional.

Let me know if you see any major errors or if there is a more official list that I am unaware of.

I will try to update this after Alamo where where there is sure to be some movement in these rankings.


Rank	Team	Name				Event Avg	Rookie	2yr	EI	Chairmans	Total
1	1477	⟲Texas Torque⟲				63				10		73.0
2	3310	Black Hawk Robotics			70						70.0
3	3847	Spectrum -??				60.5			8			68.5
4	4206	Robo Vikes				63						63.0
5	6672	Fusion Corps				53	10					63.0
6	2848	? ALL SPARKS ?				61.5						61.5
7	6133	Haltom Robotics				56.5		5				61.5
8	118	Robonauts				61						61.0
9	2468	Team Appreciate				51				10		61.0
10	624	CRyptonite				48				10		58.0
11	6547	Flaming Metal Robotics			48	10					58.0
12	148	Robowranglers				56.5						56.5
13	6133	Haltom Robotics				56.5						56.5
14	1255	Blarglefish				55.5						55.5
15	4063	TriKzR4Kidz				55						55.0
16	3005	RoboChargers				50						50.0
17	1817	Llano Estacado RoboRaiders		46.5						46.5
18	2582	PantherBots				44						44.0
19	6377	Howdy Bots				33	10					43.0
20	704	Warriors				42						42.0
21	418	Purple Haze				31				10		41.0
22	1296	Full Metal Jackets			40.5						40.5
23	1745	P-51 Mustangs				39						39.0
24	6357	The Spring Konstant			28.5	10					38.5
25	5417	Eagle Robotics				37.3						37.3
26	5414	Pearadox				36						36.0
27	2881	Lady Cans				25.5				10		35.5
28	3997	Screaming Chickens			35						35.0
29	6488	RoboRams				25	10					35.0
30	5829	AwtyBots				29.7		5				34.7
31	5892	Energy HEROs				29		5				34.0
32	4641	HazMat Hawks				33						33.0
33	5431	Titan Robotics				32						32.0
34	5866	Fe [Iron] Tigers			26.5		5				31.5
35	441	DEVIL DOGS				31						31.0
36	5572	ROSBOTS					31						31.0
37	3335	Cy-Borgs				30						30.0
38	6369	Mercenary Robotics			20	10					30.0
39	231	High Voltage				29						29.0
40	6171	? Chain Reaction ?			24		5				29.0
41	5427	Steel Talons or Tompkins Robotics	28.5						28.5
42	6357	The Spring Konstant			28.5						28.5
43	3103	Iron Plaid				28						28.0
44	3802	RoboPOP					28						28.0
45	5411	PowerEagle				28						28.0
46	3366	Plowbots				27						27.0
47	2587	DiscoBots				26.5						26.5
48	5866	Fe [Iron] Tigers			26.5						26.5
49	3741	CORE G IX				26						26.0
50	4219	R4 Robo Riders				26						26.0
51	5052	The RoboLobos				26						26.0
52	6768	Denison Engineering 			16	10					26.0
53	2882	Nuts n Boltz				25						25.0
54	3735	VorTX					24.7						24.7
55	4639	RoboSpartans				24						24.0
56	4696	RoboAzTechs				24						24.0
57	6562	She Heroes				14	10					24.0
58	6671	Adamas Robotics				14	10					24.0
59	3999	Shadetree Robotics			23						23.0
60	4076	Texan Robotics				23						23.0

Awesome thanks for doing this Chad. We won’t be going because we don’t meet the requirements but still nice to see the ranks put together.

Rankings updated after Alamo Regional.

I think this list should be close to what First In Texas will come up with to issue invitations. This list is not official and could contain errors. I do not know which teams are UIL eligible so this is simply Texas schools and data from Texas regionals. There is no tie breaker listed on the FiT web page so my numbers are sorted on total points then team number.

If you see any errors please let me know.


Rank	Team	Name				Event Avg	Rookie	2yr	EI	RCA		Total
1	3847	Spectrum -△◅				56			8	10		74.0
2	1477	⟲Texas Torque⟲				63				10		73.0
3	3310	Black Hawk Robotics			70						70.0
4	4063	TriKzR4Kidz				66.5						66.5
5	6672	Fusion Corps				53	10					63.0
6	2848	⚡ ALL SPARKS ⚡			61.5						61.5
7	6133	Haltom Robotics				56.5		5				61.5
8	118	Robonauts				61						61.0
9	2468	Team Appreciate				51				10		61.0
10	4206	Robo Vikes				61						61.0
11	624	CRyptonite				48				10		58.0
12	1255	Blarglefish				58						58.0
13	6547	Flaming Metal Robotics			48	10					58.0
14	148	Robowranglers				56.5						56.5
15	3005	RoboChargers				50						50.0
16	5572	ROSBOTS					47						47.0
17	1817	Llano Estacado RoboRaiders		46.5						46.5
18	2582	PantherBots				44						44.0
19	3035	Droid Rage				43						43.0
20	704	Warriors				42						42.0
21	6377	Howdy Bots				32	10					42.0
22	418	Purple Haze				31				10		41.0
23	1296	Full Metal Jackets			40.5						40.5
24	3103	Iron Plaid				32			8			40.0
25	1745	P-51 Mustangs				39						39.0
26	6357	The Spring Konstant			28.5	10					38.5
27	231	High Voltage				37.7						37.7
28	5417	Eagle Robotics				37.3						37.3
29	5414	Pearadox				36						36.0
30	3997	Screaming Chickens			35						35.0
31	6488	RoboRams				25	10					35.0
32	5829	AwtyBots				29.7		5				34.7
33	5892	Energy HEROs				29		5				34.0
34	6155	ElektraBots				29		5				34.0
35	2881	Lady Cans				23				10		33.0
36	4587	Jersey Voltage				33						33.0
37	4641	HazMat Hawks				33						33.0
38	5908	Spartans				27.5		5				32.5
39	3335	Cy-Borgs				32						32.0
40	5431	Titan Robotics				32						32.0
41	5866	Fe [Iron] Tigers			26.5		5				31.5
42	5960	Mighty ROBO-RANGERS			26.5		5				31.5
43	441	DEVIL DOGS				31						31.0
44	6664	LADYBOTS				21	10					31.0
45	5981	Thunderbotz				25.5		5				30.5
46	2158	ausTIN CANs				30						30.0
47	5986	Iron Fangs				25		5				30.0
48	6369	Mercenary Robotics			20	10					30.0
49	6321	R-Cubed Rouse Raider Robotics		20	10					30.0
50	6171	⚛ Chain Reaction ⚛			24		5				29.0
51	5427	Steel Talons or Tompkins Robotics	28.5						28.5
52	3802	RoboPOP					28						28.0
53	5411	PowerEagle				28						28.0
54	3366	Plowbots				27						27.0
55	2587	DiscoBots				26.5						26.5
56	3345	Metal Jackets				26						26.0
57	3741	CORE G IX				26						26.0
58	4219	R4 Robo Riders				26						26.0
59	5052	The RoboLobos				26						26.0
60	6768	Denison Engineering 			16	10					26.0

Is 4639 not on the list?

We are on the 1st list but not second

Per my records I have 4639 with an event average of 20.5 points which ranks at 79 on my list. I chose to list the top 60 and ties so it came to 61 on my second list.

I would be more than happy to share individual rankings or my spreadsheet with anyone that would like to look over it. Just PM me.

Ah I see. Lame that its not based on individual performance as much as alliance matchups

Mind explaining what you mean? I’m a bit confused.

The way they tally your points,

"Qualifying Points
Points Category Points
Qualification Round Performance: 22 to 4 points, based on Number of Teams at the Event and Rank
Alliance Captains (after picking): Equal to 17 minus the Alliance Captain Number:
1 Alliance Captain: 16
2 Alliance Captain: 15
3 to 8 Alliance Captains: 14 to 9
Alliance Selection Draft Order Acceptance: Equal to 17 minus the Draft Order Acceptance Number:
1 Draft Pick: 16
2 Draft Pick: 15
3 to #16: 14 to 1
Playoff Round Performance: 5 points per match played in and won
Chairman’s Award Winner: 10 Points
Engineering Inspiration Award Winner: 8 Points
Rookie All Star Award Winner: 8 Points
All Other Judged Team Awards: 5 Points
Rookies (Team Age): 10 Points
2nd Year Teams (Team Age): 5 Points
"

I don’t see how it really affects you much, everyone has to get their points the same way. Additionally the better you are individually then the higher you will seed (usually).

Yeah I just personally believe that it should be based on opr or something if UIL wants to say they are inviting the “top teams”

Eh, OPR isn’t a very accurate way to identify the top teams. Maybe invite the top 22 teams by district scoring, then have an “expert panel” decide the other 10 slots based on who applies would be a method of smoothing out any potential failures of the current scoring method.

They might as well just make your uil rank the rank you had at whatever Texas regionals you went to then.

For your consideration -
Based on my data:
6 teams attended 3 Texas regionals
50 teams attended 2 Texas regionals
98 teams attended 1 Texas regional

What if teams are attending more than one regional (see above)? How do you calculate their standings? Which regional to you base your data on for those teams?

Or, resolve the issue of we run six regionals that means we theoretically have
six 1st place teams, six 2nd place, etc. You do that and limiting to 32 means that you only will take ranking spots 1 - 5 from each regional. That gives you 30 teams. Now add two teams sitting sitting in the number six position to get the 32 they are looking to invite. Which regionals do those two come from? Add back in the problem of teams competing in multiple regionals and we have a mess on our hands.

Now that we have that figured out - or not - add the UIL complication into the mix. I was not at TRR last year but knew going into it that based on what they were trying to do - combine UIL and TRR - it was going to be sticky.

You are from a successful UIL school as are we. I don’t know about other states but in Texas the public school system looks at UIL as if it is the Holy Grail and they will scratch and fight for every advantage they can get. I have seen schools intentionally misreport numbers to change their UIL alignment and schools accusing each other of cheating - irrespective of truth - just to try and gain a competitive advantage is commonplace.

Right or wrong, good or bad, schools and their districts can be ruthless in their quest for UIL titles.

Wow, this is right on. I’ve competed in multiple UiL activities, and the competitive mindset of trying to gain every advantage you can is something that many don’t like about UIL. However the mixing of FIRST and UIL is something that I feel could be a good thing, as everyone has something to learn from the values FIRST resembles. Things like coopertition and gracious professionalism are things UIL sports could use.

I just don’t like the ranking system they use.

Last year they had a hard time even getting the 32 teams to come to the event

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-0hqzSLKV9F4yRmnkbxZedk9ZAKDYDbO0brBIhNHlqA/edit?usp=sharing is my calculation of UIL district points. Not sure where we differ, but we definitely do differ.

I think the ranking formulas make sense. Its very similar to the rest of the districts, takes into account some of the “overall” attributes of the team (via including points for earning judged awards), heavily weights culture changing awards, and rewards teams for being a part of an alliance that advances through the playoff. OPR stinks this year (and is inconsistent year-to-year) partially due to the 50 point climb but mainly due to the step function nature of rotors.

One reason we differ for sure is my results are letting the RCA and EI double dip. I didn’t think it seemed right to allow a teams event average to be lowered because they won one of those rather than a judges award. I’m not certain how FiT will account for this, based on the web page most likely how you have it. I sent an email asking, but did not get a good response.

I am not sure where the rest of the variation comes from. I will do some double checking this evening.

If Texas were in districts, how many teams would we have take this year?

Their event average might be lowered, but their total score is raised (it’s as if they won 2 awards at all their events for RCA winners). It makes sense to me to pull them out of the average event score, because each of those you can only win once.

It’s not perfect, the PNW is going to Houston, and has 155 teams (which is approximately what Texas has). PNW has 39 Houston slots. I think it’s fair to approximate that a Texas district would also have about 39 slots. I think the more areas that go to district will affect the number of slots though.

10.12.3.7 is the relevant section in the game manual for anyone so motivated to go and calculate it.

I took the total number of teams in the PNW district from here: http://frc-districtrankings.firstinspires.org/2017/PNW