# The 1 bin confusion.....

one big thing my team discovered today…if you have 1 bin has your tallest stack, so all the bins are jsut randomly on the floor. and if there is one bin thats on its side, does it count as two? its clearly more than 1 unit of measure the stack height, but 1 container is technically not a stack. the rules say it will be release at a later date, the exact height of all the measurements on the stick woodie had at kickoff. so does any have any ideas? is it counting as a stack of 1…or of 2

According to everything I’ve seen (from the kickoff, Dave Lavery’s demonstration), stacks are based on height, not bin amount.

A bin on its side, breaking the plane of the second level, counts as a stack two bins high, nested properly.

Additionally, one bin sitting bottom down on the floor, with another bin, short side down, sitting on top of it, is worth a stack three tall.

This is just what I believe to be viable in the rules, and game scoring methods. If I’m wrong, someone please correct me.

Correct, but remember that if you have one bin one its side (counting as a multiplier of 2) and 4 other bins on the floor, then you total points is 6, not 8. Stack height (2) times your base bin amount: Total number of bins (5) minus stack height (2) times for a total of 3.

Hope this helps!

If your alliance only has 1 bin total in the scoring position at the end of the match that bin counts as the multiplier and then your box score is 0.

*Originally posted by MikeWherley *
**Correct, but remember that if you have one bin one its side (counting as a multiplier of 2) and 4 other bins on the floor, then you total points is 6, not 8. Stack height (2) times your base bin amount: Total number of bins (5) minus stack height (2) times for a total of 3.

Hope this helps! **

No…

SC8:

All containers in the tallest stack located in the scoring zone (the “multiplier stack”) are worth zero points. Containers in additional stacks of the same height will be
scored normally;

There’s only 1 container in the stack. Hence, it would be a score of 8.

where did you get 8?? ok, say there is 7 boxes, all just thrown about your scoring zone. so the tallest stack is 1, but now, say 6 of those 7 boxes are right side up, but one is on its side. so now that one counts as your tallest box, and does it count as 2 or 1 box? so is your score 6 or 12

The way I read the rules is it would be 12.

*Originally posted by Winged Globe *
**There’s only 1 container in the stack. Hence, it would be a score of 8. **
Actually, no:

Check out rule 7.6: “The total base score is then multiplied by the height in
whole Stack Height Units (SHU) of the multiplier stack. A whole Stack Height Unit (15-1/4 inches)
is the height of an individual container as it sits flat on its bottom.”

The key here is the value of Stack Height Units, regardless of the number of bins actually used. So, if 1 box created a SHU of 2, then 2 (not 1) is subtracted from the total number of bins to calculate your base score.

*Originally posted by Nataku *
**where did you get 8?? ok, say there is 7 boxes, all just thrown about your scoring zone. so the tallest stack is 1, but now, say 6 of those 7 boxes are right side up, but one is on its side. so now that one counts as your tallest box, and does it count as 2 or 1 box? so is your score 6 or 12 **

Stack Height Units (SHU) = 2 (The 1 of 7 boxes on its side)
Base Score = 5 (7 total minus SHU of 2)
Total Score = 2 * 5 = 10

7.6

“All containers within the alliance’s scoring zone will be worth one point each EXCEPT the containers in the tallest stack.”

and

“Containers in the multiplier stack are worth zero points each.”

The multiplier does depend on height.

Base score does not. There, it’s just how many physical bins are not in the tallest stack.

From what I hear, if it is one bin, then it only counts as ONE. NOT two, NOT three.

we assumed as well that if its one bin, regardless or orientation, that it counts as one, since one is technically not a stack anyway. so the score would be 6

*Originally posted by JosephM *
**From what I hear, if it is one bin, then it only counts as ONE. NOT two, NOT three. **

One bin can give you a stack height of 2 since it will be above the 2-line, as measure by an “Official
Stack Height Measuring device,” as stated in rule 7.6.

I beleive that a stack can be considered one. What if there is only one box in the scoring position. This is the stack multiplier correct? Then it would be considered a stack and count for zero points.

*Originally posted by Mark G *
**I beleive that a stack can be considered one. What if there is only one box in the scoring position. This is the stack multiplier correct? Then it would be considered a stack and count for zero points. **
A 1-bin stack can have a multiplier of either 1 or 2, depending on its orientation, as measured by the pole that Woodie demonstrated during the kickoff.

*Originally posted by Winged Globe *
**7.6

“All containers within the alliance’s scoring zone will be worth one point each EXCEPT the containers in the tallest stack.”

and

“Containers in the multiplier stack are worth zero points each.”

The multiplier does depend on height.

Base score does not. There, it’s just how many physical bins are not in the tallest stack.

And the answer is 12. **

I agree that the rules are a little vague, but according to Dave Lavery, that is how the score is determined. We should see an official ruling from FIRST in the next rules update.

You are correct, my mistake in explaining. However that one box stack whether it count for 1 or 2, depending on the orientation of the box will not count for any points because it is the only box in the scoring zone.

we know it doesn’t count because the highest stack only counts as the multiplier, but if you had one on its side would the multiplier be 1 or 2? i see what everyone thinks now, but do we have an concrete answer

If the box is on the shorter side it would count as 1, but if the box is on the taller side then it would count for 2. Describing shorter or taller is done based on the orginal way the box is orientated.

To make this a little more interesting, an SHU is 15 1/4 in, but a bin is 15 3/4 in. standing right side up, it reaches into the 2 bin height because it isn’t nested in another bin.