Throwing panels: Action and Ability both are illegal

I think the real point here is that if you break the rule during the game it is a red card. As tempting as a powerful release is, the risk is just not worth it.

It is obvious that the GDC is aware of the danger to volunteers and students if certain mechanisms are allowed and they have gone to great lengths to make dangerous mechanisms illegal. I would not be even a little surprised if we inspectors are instructed to pay close attention to the release of these panels.

I will predict that attempts to language lawyer these rules will result in team updates making them stricter or getting shutdown in Q&A, not you finding a loophole.

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As much as I like when the questions are thorough and not open to interpretation, I donā€™t know that they will bother to answer this unless they get through all the other questions with time left over. Not unless thereā€™s a big argument a brewing like the frame size discussion from last year.

Not giving a height to me means any height. If they said ā€œmax heightā€, for whatever reason a team could have a design that launches slightly backwards from the max but then four feet out at the lowest.

It will do well at this point to assume the inspectors will be looking for worst case scenario and refs will not be on the field with a measuring tape. If they say it got launched, it got launched.

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I canā€™t imagine why R6 compliance would be measured in anything but the worst case scenario, which for 90% of robots is going to be at their max height. If you are asked to demonstrate it is not possible to break a rule, why would they give you leeway?

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The rule is there because throwing the panels will cause them to shatter. Hereā€™s proof from the FRC discord:

https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/113

Launching will be measured at the worst case scenario situation according to this answer.

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Someone managed to ā€œshatterā€ polycarb?

Yup

Iā€™d be interested in seeing pictures, polycarbonate is not supposed to straight up shatter.

By shatter I mean break in a bunch of ok sized pieces, sorry

This may make every robot that lifts up a HATCH PANEL up 6 feet illegal.

Any robot that spins in high gear and lets go of the HATCH PANEL at 6 feet off the ground will toss the HATCH PANEL further than 3 feet.

This is the ā€œWorst Caseā€ scenario.

Stellar work GDC! Looking forward to victory spins in our pit during inspection! Super safe.

-Mike

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Looks like they really learned their lesson from launching rules last season!

I agree. Itā€™ll be very easy to fail this test when fully extended and turning, even with a passive intake. This needs to be fixed/updatedā€¦ again

Edit: Looks like I was wrong, please read below.

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I had the same thought. Also robots that utilize a rotating arm to get to the top of the rocket - accidentally release while rotating, and watch how far it can go! I certainly donā€™t think thatā€™s the intent of the ruleā€¦ but I also am at a loss as to how to properly word such a rule. It almost makes me wish the robot rules were worded a little more conversationally, like the game rules are now - I think that would make writing this rule simpler.

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The updated rule seems pretty clear. "The distance is measured with a stationary ROBOT relative to the ground and from the ROBOTā€™S FRAME PERIMETER to where the HATCH PANEL first contacts the ground. "

Spinning in high gear is not stationary. So, your robot may pass inspection under R6. If, however, you accidentally fling the hatch off your spinning robot and it lands more than 3 feet away, expect to be red carded.

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If the referees are watching for launching penalties anyway, what is the point of R6?

Which rule states this? The rules and updates say that you get measured as if your robot is stationary and the only way to launch them through the air is with purpose. If you are spinning or get hit and the panels gets ejected from your robot unintentionally, I donā€™t see how they can Red Card you.

To force technical solutions to the placement problem which rely on precise positioning rather than sloppily launching a hatch at the port from an imprecisely positioned robot.

Similar to bumper-related rules, I would expect referees to defer hatch throwing to the LRI.

We donā€™t yet know if the kinetic energy of the drive train was considered in Q113. At the same time, if a panel flings off of a robot into the face of a ref, is that any better?

G6

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G6: ROBOTS may not shoot HATCH PANELS into the air in a way
thatā€™s prohibited in R6.

R6: A ROBOT may not be designed to shoot a HATCH PANEL such that it travels more than 3
horizontal ft. (~91 cm) beyond its FRAME PERIMETER (reference G6).

So no, if you are spinning and the panel unintentionally leaves control of your robot, you would not get a Red Card.

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