639 is going to rock it there. We have new stuff that will make us unbeatable.
Unbeattable you say?
So you can take on three good robots all by yourself, san partners and win easily?
That is impressive.
Kid, I hate to break it to you but no team in FIRST has yet to build an unbeatable robot.
Not 71. Not 254. Not 233. 1114. 67. 217 or many many other great teams in FIRST. You need good drivers and strategy as well and you do need good partners as well who work well with your robot. This robot reminds me alot of their 2005 bot which was a top notch piece of machinary but it wasn’t unbeatable.
You can’t get such a bot in six weeks of building and I seriously doubt you could get one if you built it for years.
There’s always a flaw.
Ed I’ll second you on that note.
Plus you have a weight limit, size limit and underpowered motors. The closest I think we will ever see in the Alliance era was Beatty '02 (probably CD '98 before that). It scored all 3 goals almost all the time and it was mathematically impossible to beat them if they did. Even they got Fluffied (180) in the finals. There always is a robot, group of robots, or strategy that is your perfect foil.
We will never see an unbeatable bot. The rules and ever-expanding level of competition are stacked against it.
The closest I would say was 25 in 2006. I don’t know if they had an unbeatable robot, but they sure went a long time (2 regionals + a while at nats) before their first loss.
Would anyone like to list thier top 5 now that the regional has come and gone.
I will offer my .02 after the fact, I think the SparkX, Moe, 424 and any other team that consistently scored during autonomous mode were ROBBED, they deserved more than 2 pts and probably would have advanced MUCH further in the competition if the pts were higher. Some other good teams showed what they were made of as well. All in all it was a very exciting competition that all teams should feel proud of. Way to go 1511 for the chairmans Award, 2228 for an outstanding showing all the other teams that made this AWESOME!
I thinl it’s safe to say no one would have expected alliance 3 to win the whole shebang.
Only 1713 earned remotely any compliments from anyone in the thread beforehand. Which shows you how absolutely useless these kind of threads really are.
1: 1559
2: 73
3: 424
4: 1713
5: 1126
I think my choices did quite well.
Didn’t 73 and 1126 get knocked out by the 7th seed?
Yea. And first seed was taken out by 8th seed. Very much an overpowering by the underdogs. No one expected it all.
Eh, they still did well.
That is very true the underdogs did seem to take an upperhand.
I think it would’ve been an interesting 3rd round had our lift worked. Kudos to the 8th seed though. We just couldn’t over-score that 2 bot lift.
listen to this man, he knows what hes talking about!
Who also called 340 and 1713 to be up there?
and i also do agree these thread are crap and useless untill we see what is goign on atleast on practice days…
The 8th seed took out the 1st and the 7th seed took out the 2nd seed. All 6 teams on the top seeded alliances were fantastic robots. However, as a team, they did not work together well because they all specialized in the same thing.
(Not to blow our own horn or anything) the reason that alliance 5 (639, 229, 1559) did as well as we did was because we worked well together. We had a bot that was good at scoring, we had a good defense bot, and we had a bot that could lift a robot 12" off the ground every time.
The moral of this story: pick teams based on their abilities, not on their ranking.
I disagree with the second seed statement. I think 316, 1126, and 73 was a great alliance that should have gone much farther than they did. I think that alliance was very well selected, just got unlucky in the eliminations. I thoroughly expected that alliance to make it to the finals.
The 2nd allliance was indeed very well-rounded. I don’t think they just got unlucky though. All they had to do to beat us was get on 316’s platforms earlier (or at least be ready to be lifted in the last 15 seconds). By spending more time on the field they also drew penalties. I believe only two of the three robots on our alliance could reliably climb ramps, and one of the two (772) was the only robot on the alliance who could deploy two ramps, so we couldn’t ever get more than 30 points.
I suppose this is all easier said than done, but you can’t just lay it all on luck. You could say the same about any alliance who suffers an upset, but there’s always a reason it happens.
The QF 3-3 (between the 2nd & 7th alliances) was decided by a 10 pt penalty when 316’s lifts broke the plane of the home zone when they were realigning after being pushed around. That was a close and hard fought match, and congrats to alliance 7 for figuring out a winning strategy with 3 ramp bots.
This game is all about strategy. At FLR, it was the undefended ramp that won in elims. The 2 most consistent double ramps/lifters (316 in qf, 1518 in f) saw defense and lost to a single ramp. Moral of the story, always have one partner playing defense on your opponents ramp in the elims (unless you have a insurmountable tube lead with a minute left). I think ramp defense is often neglected since penalties are enforced in the last 15 sec in the home zone. However, those penalties don’t apply if you can keep those bots out of the home zone and very few alliances can consisently ramp in under 15 sec.
I think that 1405 772 and 1728 Just played better.