Torque specs

What are some of the torque specs for the things we commonly do in first? I know how tight things should feel generally, but I would like to know the numbers for some of it to help with explaining to the kids.
For example, the bolts that mount a motor to a MK4i swerve module. Or the bolts that mount them to the frame.
Mostly 8-32. 10-32, or 1/4 into aluminum
Also, what are some of the good torque wrenches people use for such things?

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Main breaker studs - 1/4-28 - 50 in*lbf max per the cutsheet

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As my uncle would say, keep tightening until it gives, then back off a quarter turn :wink:

I think a lot of things in FRC that may be torque dependent are handwaved away with the excuse of “Loctite”.

Battery lugs are a good one, maybe motor mount screws?

If I think I need a torque spec, it’s either going to be on the part’s documentation, or I do a Google for the materials and size.

And then I use the torque wrench to make sure I don’t go too far over and break off the bolt/stud.

I suggest having your kids twist off some bolt heads so they get a feel for the torque needed and can identify the “sinking feeling” :wink:

1/4-20 is the largest bolt where you can easily twist off the head with the standard length wrench.

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Going to help fix this soon… very soon. :wink:

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Torque values for different sizes and grades of fasteners are easily found on them internets.

NASA has a great paper on it. Here is the chart for steel English fasteners threaded into 1/4in thick 6061-T6 (very common in FRC):

Also common in FRC, here’s a chart for toque vs thread engagement for 10-32s:

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If you’re using properly sized nuts or another situation where the bolt is the weak link, this chart is great. Here’s a snippet:

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I have seen some really bad connections on the battery post side of this equation too. There has been a bit of testing on this front, there are some papers floating around CD on it. But this is an excellent student teaching opportunity for several reasons ( loss of robot performance, mechanical and electrical problem, safety (could get hot), hidden connection)


One thing that I am interested in but do not have the resources to pull off rn is a white paper on cold flow of threads in Onyx under various torque/time/# of threads engaged parameters.

How do you manage to twist the head off before stripping the drive shape of the bolt? Unless you’re using hex heads and not allen/torx/etc?

Yes, when you are doing the “learn what it feels like” you want to use hex heads. Either put the bolt head in the vise and turn the nut, or use a hex head bolt. Its easier to feel things if you add in a spacer rather than just having a super-short bolt.

Button heads SHOULD booger up the socket before you twist off, but you are likely to damage the allen key doing it :frowning:
Hex head capscrews MAY twist off before stripping.
Torx is going to go farther…
A hex bolt WILL break the bolt first, as long as you either use a real wrench (box end for the win!) or set your “adjustable nut rounder” correctly :wink:

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