URGENT Update #3 - Strategy Q

Competition Rules/Strategy
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OK, lets brake the scoring part of this update down to simplistic math because it’s like totally killing our team with debating:

Bullet 3, SC8

“The HEIGHT of the tallest stack located in the scoring zone,
MEASURED in whole Stack Units, is subtracted FROM the TOTAL
number of CONTAINERS to establish the ‘Base Score,’
Containers in additional stacks of the same height will be
counted normally.”

Lets all be on the same page now. We all know for certain, prior to update 3 (Dubbed medusa):

  • Stacks are calculated in Stack Units, and not the number of
    containers.
  • To establish the “Base Score,” your TALLEST stack is multiplied
    by the TOTAL amount of containers (Including those in your
    multiplier stack, i.e. Got stack 6 high, 5 bins on floor,
    base score is 6+5*6 = 66 ) – mind you, PRIOR to update 3

Heh, now the fun begins.

Brake down the update,

“The Height of the tallest stack located in the scoring zone”
- Lets say that it is 6 (I like 6, it’s fun.)

“MEASURED in whole Stack Units”
- This means that a container doesn’t NECESSARILY have to
be supported by other containers under it. Your opponent
can bring a container to your scoring zone, and
it will count FOR YOUR team. Nifty, no? But who’s
gonna do that? It gets better…

“Is subtracted FROM the TOTAL number of CONTAINERS”
-Given there is 10 bins upon your scoring zone. 6+10 = 16
total bins under YOUR direct control, no? Yes!
-Interesting things happen here, lets replace the “word
problem” with numbers 6-16 = 10.

We can ignore the last part for our purposes at the moment. heh.

Lets make a scenario.

Say Blue ( I like blue. ) team has a stack of 5 containers, and puts the fifth container on it’s side successfully making it 6 stack units high.

Blue team also managed to have 5 container’s upon it’s pretty little scoring zone, making it’s total amount of score-able containers 10.

If the match where to end here, blue would end with the following score - 10 (total containers) - 6 (containers in multiplier stack) * 6 (your multiplier stack) = 24 Final score.

Lets rewind.

Last twenty seconds, red grab one of it’s containers from it’s scoring zone! … It rushes over the bridge, and into Blue’s zone!.. What in the name of everything holy is it doing?!..

Red raises the singular container it has in it’s possession to 30 Stack Height Units in the air.

Buzzer goes off. What happens?

Taking into account update 3…

This match would be scored as follows:

11 (Your total containers, since red brought one over… and it counts, because he is your opponent, and he CAN be touching YOUR bins, and it WILL count for YOU)

Minus ( - )

30 (Since that singular bin is raised 30 Stack Height Units in the air, it is the new multiplier stack. Note, it is the height that counts, and not the number of containers.)

Multiplied by ( * )

Yay?.. Nay.

11 - 30 = -19 -19 *30= -570 (Final Score)

According to the general rules of math, if Blue team had 150 Qualifying points, it now has -420 Qualifying points, and has lost the match.

Someone, please, correct me if I am wrong… AND I HOPE I AM!!!

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Wow, that was a pretty intense post to read! There’s already a couple threads on this but I think the only thing you are wrong about is the tipping raising the SHU #.

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first, did FIRST ever change the fact that SHU are rounded down? I didn’t see a change, but i just skimmed…

and second, no no no, if red team did that, they would be mobbed and cheesed to death (thx to dave lavery for that comment, i’ve used it a lot)

red team would win, because they had more points, QP are not points per say, they just are used to rank you so you can move up thru the qualifying rounds… red team wins, but get negative QP, making them drop in rank, and look very stupid
(stoopid red team, go eat cheese)

…i think

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Can’t we keep all this junk to one thread? Nobody has been saying anything new since the update came out, so why do we need to keep creating the same thread over and over again? If you want to talk about it, that’s fine. In fact, it’s the purpose of these forums. Please, just do it in the proper place.

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Yea, this whole shabazz has been already posted. Do a search.

but anywho:

-19 *30= -570 (Final Score)

According to the general rules of math, if Blue team had 150 Qualifying points, it now has -420 Qualifying points, and has lost the match.

In my following examples, assume RED has 40 pts at the end of the match. How they get it doesn’t matter.

Your post previous to update 3:

Final score
BLUE: 24
RED: 40

Red Wins – QP:
BLUE: 24
RED 40 + (2 * 24) = 88

Now… in the post-update 3

Final Score
BLUE: -570 (Ouch!)
RED: 40

Red Wins – QP:
BLUE: -570 (Ouch!)
RED: 40 + (2 * -570) = -1100 (Uber ouch.)

Last twenty seconds, red grab one of it’s containers from it’s scoring zone! … It rushes over the bridge, and into Blue’s zone!.. What in the name of everything holy is it doing?!..

Yep, thats exactly what EVERYONE would be saying. It is not smart to try and drop your opponents score into the negitives (even during Elims, because they are scored the same why Qual’s are).

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*Originally posted by illumanat’i *
**first, did FIRST ever change the fact that SHU are rounded down? I didn’t see a change, but i just skimmed…

and second, no no no, if red team did that, they would be mobbed and cheesed to death (thx to dave lavery for that comment, i’ve used it a lot)
**

Yes, yes, I know I’m belaboring the issue, but this is important.

Actually, Dave said: “…their own partner will probably pummel them with large lumps of head cheese just to make sure they never do it again”

I didn’t realize this until I was well into my thirties. In fact, head cheese bears little resemblance to actual cheese. It’s this really gross substance made of gelatin and pork bits that I had always assumed were thrown out. I’m secretly hoping that we see some negative points 'cause I’ve never seen anyone pelted with chunks of head cheese (and lived to tell of it, anyway) :D.

-Kevin

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that smiley would be what the red team would feel (:frowning: )…nice catch gadget470. i was going to point that out. unfortunately for the sadistic tendencies of some, there is no point in mauling your opponnent so badly, in fact that’s probably the reason FIRST decided to link your QPs to your opponent’s just like last year. takes some of the competitive edge out, huh? although this would be a very interesting strategy to try out if you were in dead last and had no chance of getting anywhere. at east it would get you in the wrap-up video…:stuck_out_tongue: but what do i know…

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Read update number 4. It states that a container EXCLUSIVELY supported by another robot are ineligible for a multiplier stack and will only be included in the base score.

So now we know this won’t happen this orig post should be edited to show there was an update regarding this so there is no one out there who does this (even though it is there responsibility to read and understand all the rules)