w00t! i just orderd this:http://www.amamax.com/mx40064mbdual.html
thats right! a dual head PCI geforce 2 mx400 with 64 megs onboard! now you might be saying that “ehh, thats a crappy card”
but wait! i have a geforce 3 in my agp slot, so with this in my pci, that means i can support up to 3 monitors!
this is sweet
btw, max is pissy with opengl. you need to softquadro your card to get it to work. get rivatuner.
You enjoy bragging, don’t you? :rolleyes:
*Originally posted by Daishichimaru *
**You enjoy bragging, don’t you? :rolleyes: **
okay whats yer problem. if you dont wanna read the thread, dont click on it. thank you for that construtive post. :rolleyes:
anyway, dual head is great, whenenver you are dealing with content creation. now i am not sure if you can undock your tool panels, but if you can, just slap them on monitor number 2. if you do any video editing, or use any adobe program, you can put all of your sceen cloging things on monitor 2. ahh, its great. all you need is a cheap pci card and a spare monitor
He does enjoy bragging…
It’s not only you Zenin, but you do seem to be a driving force of the bragging and discouragement side of the animation forums. You do have useful input, but some of the stuff you type, is frankly, uneccesary and quite innapropriate. That talk about the “rash of lame animations” and stuff can be very discouraging for a team just starting with animation.
Now I know that your first animation attempt wasnt all that great, as you admitted that fact on these boards, and neither was mine or anybodies, for that matter. A first attempt at animation will always look lower on the scale than, say something PIXAR or Dreamworks has created. Even against the other competition in this award. That’s what we are here for, to help each other out and show each other how to create a better animation.
Just do me one small favor, If you’re going to mention unconstructive criticism with a serious tone, please look at your previous posts, and take a pause to think about what you are typing before you post it. I’m sure the entire group will appreciate it as well. It’s called Gracious Professionalism, and hopefully that would apply to the other down-talkers on this group.
Thank you.
Good luck to everyone, and Happy Animating. It should be as a job in animation happens to be one of the, not only most hardworking, but goofiest jobs on this planet.
-Robby O
FIRSTanimators Moderator
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PS: Thank you to Devil’s Kid and Daishichimaru for having the guts to post about this first. I thought I was the only one who felt so about certain Ungracious Unprofessionals on this forum.
PPS: To the Ungracious Unprofessionals, there’s still a chance to change. Just keep thinking “What Would Dean Do?”
hmm
i belive you misunderstood my posts about lameness…
my complaint about the "lameness" of certain animations refers only to the storyline and concept behind the animation. not the technical execution. now a good story is somthing any team can create, regardless of skill level. i invite you to watch last years tape of all the animations. count how many were only the robot "doing" the competition. that i belive is unorigonal, and unless done with a comitment to technical perfection, is unnoteworthy. now you would be hard pressed to classify this as unconstructive. as for other reasons for "lameness", my personal prefrence is with animations that steer away from cliches. take that as you will
now what you consider bragging i consider sharing. im not showing off so much as displaying. i give anyone else the right to post test renders, ect, you get the idea. as for the grafics card, yeah, you could call it bragging, but you are overlooking the link i posted. i got serveral IMs from people on another forum i post on thanking me for the link, as they had been looking for a similar card. seeing as this particular card is very rare, i hardly think that shareing its location is bragging. 
what else is this forum for?
i think this forum is for the creation of better animations though sharing.
That’s what we are here for, to help each other out and show each other how to create a better animation.
you said it. why have i not seen other test renders or whatnot? i dont know. as far as i know, no one else has started. or you are keeping secrets, which is kind of foolish in my opinion. i want to see other renders, so i can see
A. what i am up against 
B. how i can help other teams with animation
discoragment? yes, i want to discorage animations that will be cliched and overdone. exsuse my opinion, no one has to listen to it. i wish someone had taken me by my pants back the first year i did animation and told me that our story was a bad idea, because it was. i wish someone had done the same thing for me last year and told me that the animation didnt make as much sence to others as it did to us.
i got to my place in 3d alone. everything i know i learned though long nights at borders books, pouring though the manauls, though reading endless tutorials, ect. i want to make it easier for the noobz out there, hehe.
I think that your reply post was a good explanation on why you post the way you do, but it’s also not just a what you say, it’s why you say it. With my post about how posts here can reflect negatively, I simply could have said “oh, jeez, more lameness and bragging”. But I explained myself, much as you did in the above post. It makes it feel less like I’m shoving something back in your face. I could be wrong, but that’s what I was attempting.
With the post with the video card, I think it could have been toned down a bit much. And with the procedurals, a good explanation would have done, which I was trying to get from you in an unhurtful manner, and without saying it outright. A good handful of us know what these things are off the bat and know how to attempt them, but for others who view this forum, quite a lot of handholding is needed as this is the first time they’ve gotten thier hands on a 3D program.
And to create something in 10 weeks with something they’ve never seen before is tough. So yes, cliches will appear in those newer faces. Much like rookie teams usually do something simple their first year. It’s a first attempt, so let it go at that. I’m going to post something I was sorta saving up to (hopefully) present for next year at kickoff, but I’m going to post it after this. It should help all of the new and old teams focus more on what to do and development of ideas. Not only that, but I figured out, believe it or not, how to include your whole team in the animation development and not shaft the animation team…
Now as for the posting of render tests, well, the team I am working with, 168, and myself have not gotten there yet. They have never done an animation before and have asked for my help. So to be completely honest, I have not touched 3DS MAX to create a full-on animation since my senior year, 2 years ago. I do, however, plan to do an open project with my animation, as I did develop an idea I would like to put into production. And I will take the whole group along with me as I create it over these next 7 weeks.
So, lets start with that post and see where things go from there.
Good luck and happy animating!
-Robby O
FIRSTanimators Moderator
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Zeinin—
based on your"lameness" theory, do you believe that it would be possible for a team with a reasonably good storyline and a basic 3d animating ability to win versus a team that has an ok storyline and really good graphics? Just wondering.
It’s a simple balance, but I think graphics have an edge. An awesome picture with no story has more grounds than a terrible picture with a story, but not much more. I saw you can’t go wrong if you make your story work 90-100% and do the best you can with the graphics.
well i got the rig running, not withough rebuilding my win2k install first… ugh.
no pain, no gain eh?
well its great, although the install was an issue, i still recomend multimon setups for all of you guys.
lol, welcome to the world of 3 monitors, though a GeForce 3 and a GeForce2 mx, you cannot really brag that much. I run a old SiS PCI 8mb card for my 3rd monitor, so that is a POS, but my main 2 monitors run off of my Radeon 8500 which produces a beautiful extended desktop to play with. Not that your setup is not nice, you just may not want to brag that much… unless your main card was a GeForce4 4600 or something, then you could brag… 
*Originally posted by Spike2756 *
**lol, welcome to the world of 3 monitors, though a GeForce 3 and a GeForce2 mx, you cannot really brag that much. I run a old SiS PCI 8mb card for my 3rd monitor, so that is a POS, but my main 2 monitors run off of my Radeon 8500 which produces a beautiful extended desktop to play with. Not that your setup is not nice, you just may not want to brag that much… unless your main card was a GeForce4 4600 or something, then you could brag…
umm yeah
whatever
well i am getting a 4600 based offa the best buy screw up for 179 i hope. if not, im getting an 8500. my dual mobo should be here soon, so im almost done with my content creation rig. im putting the gf3 in the gameing rig