Posted by Dante.
Student on team #47, Chief Delphi, from Pontiac Central High School and Delphi Automotive Systems.
Posted on 3/28/2000 3:36 PM MST
Throughtout the Eliminating rounds I have seen so many illegal things done by other robots that shouldn’t have been allowed. But the REFS aren’t making no effort to call them! So just a WARNING to all teams, the refs are more than likely not going to call anything in the eliminating rounds. so BE PREPARED!!! Good luck to everyone in Florida. Hope to see you there!
Dante`
Posted by colleen. [PICTURE: SAME | NEW | HELP]
Coach on team #246, a FIRST-aholic, from John D. O’Byrant High School/Boston Latin Academy and NSTAR/Boston University/Wentworth Institute of Technology/MassPEP.
Posted on 3/28/2000 7:09 PM MST
In Reply to: WARNING…NO CALLS IN THE ELIM. ROUNDS!!! posted by Dante on 3/28/2000 3:36 PM MST:
Maybe the refs not making the calls you seem necessary is because they don’t see them… as in many years past, sometimes the refs just don’t see the calls as needing to be made- everyone’s just got to remember to respect the fact that it is their decision, and they are well aware of the rules…
as well… everyone was talking before about this being a ‘wussy’ game… are people changing their minds maybe??
Posted by James Phillips.
Coach on team #284, The Crew, from Career Technology Center of Lackawanna County.
Posted on 3/28/2000 8:11 PM MST
In Reply to: Maybe they are seeing no calls… posted by colleen on 3/28/2000 7:09 PM MST:
: Maybe the refs not making the calls you seem necessary is because they don’t see them… as in many years past, sometimes the refs just don’t see the calls as needing to be made- everyone’s just got to remember to respect the fact that it is their decision, and they are well aware of the rules…
: as well… everyone was talking before about this being a ‘wussy’ game… are people changing their minds maybe??
Philly Regional had a DQ during the eliminations. The top seeded team (i think) was called for attacking a robot on the floor that was not trying to score. They also called a team for it during qualifying. It was announced that pushing on the ramp ia expected and ‘pushing’ a robot to get it off the bar is legal. The refs were great at Philly and it was well run.
Posted by Brett R…
Student on team #201, Viste-Feds, from Rochester High School and Visteon Automotive Systems.
Posted on 3/29/2000 4:10 PM MST
In Reply to: Maybe they are seeing no calls… posted by colleen on 3/28/2000 7:09 PM MST:
Pushing to get people off the bar may be acceptable (they can say they were trying to hang) but what Oaktech was doing to us in the finals in Chicago was definitely not legal. The rules say you can fight a robot to stop it from making it to the bar, but once they are on you aren’t supposed to attack them (unless you are ‘going’ for the bar) but Oaktech was lifting us and pulling. Not going for the bar.
Posted by Mike McIntyre. [PICTURE: SAME | NEW | HELP]
Coach on team #1, Juggernaut, from Oakland Technical Center Northeast and 3 Dimensional Services.
Posted on 4/2/2000 12:50 AM MST
In Reply to: Re: Maybe they are seeing no calls… posted by Brett R. on 3/29/2000 4:10 PM MST:
I just re-read rules DQ1 to DQ5 and I can’t find the definitive rule that Brett states. Where is it? If you have some rules (or updates) that we don’t know about, please share them. You say: ‘Pushing to get people off the bar may be acceptable’ and I agree: we watched your robot ram our alliance partner at high speed in the finals at Michigan and send them flying to the floor. You then hooked on to the bar for 10. Good for you, too bad for our smashed partner. But you also say: ‘…but what Oaktech (sic) was doing to us in the finals in Chicago was definitely not legal. The rules say you can fight a robot to stop it from making it to the bar, but once they are on you aren’t supposed to attack them…’ WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THIS? You continue: …’(unless you are ‘going’ for the bar) but Oaktech was lifting us and pulling. Not going for the bar.’ Untrue: we really wanted that bar, but you got there first! All this really puzzles me. I can’t find the rules you quote anywhere and even if they exist I don’t understand how what we did is any different than what you guys do. When an opponent is on the bar and we want on, we push it. Maybe not at full ramming speed like you guys, but we push it, pry it, and rotate our opponents up on the bar: sometimes they fall off the bar (once one landed on us and broke our lead screw!) and sometimes they don’t. There is no malicious intent, we simply would rather have the 10 points than let our opponents have them. From watching fine defensive teams like #201 and #249, and from listening to Woodie’s comments at the start of each tournament, we have come to feel that this struggle on the ramp is suppose to be pretty rough-and-tumble. Every year there are many grey areas in FIRST. The year that #121 Naval UnderSea Warfare started flipping people over we all vilified them because we said that they weren’t ‘playing by the rules.’ Actually, they were simply not playing by OUR INTERPRETATION of the rules. FIRST commended them on their clever strategy! Brett, you’re probably feeling now like I did then. Well, either FIRST has a bunch of incompetent refs or we’re still playing within the confines of the(albeit gray) rules. I think the refs are doing a fine job: what do the rest of you think? As Joe likes to say: do tell…
Posted by Erin. [PICTURE: SAME | NEW | HELP]
Student on team #1, The Juggernauts, from Oakland Technical Center-Northeast Campus and 3-Dimensional Services.
Posted on 4/3/2000 7:27 PM MST
In Reply to: Re: MAYBE THEY ARE SEEING CALLS!!! posted by Mike McIntyre on 4/2/2000 12:50 AM MST:
Hey everyone-
I will state again how beautiful Dean’s words really are:
‘Robust Robots’!!!
There shouldn’t be any worries about being hurt if you followed the man’s advice. If you win, you win; if you lose, you lose. Just try to make the best of it, and try to do something positive through it all. Pull some fancy-shmancy moves! And hey, if you break, look at it in a bright light like I do- the kids get more experience by helping to fix it! It’s fun! (always use safety glasses is the subliminal message here) Some positive words from the peanut gallery
-erin