In New Orleans at the bayou regional during the third consecutive match in the quarterfinals between the two alliances chosen by team 499 and Team 34 there was an alleged autonomous Malfunction with the red alliance, causing the refs to order a Redo on match on Match 2, in which The Blue Alliance totally Creamed the Red alliance. We then replayed the match as Match 4 (even though we had already thought we were moving on to the semifinals) and lost… Now, Are we the only ones out there in this known universe who think that The whole replay situation was a load of bull?
If anything the Refs could have stopped Match 2 right there and then when the Malfunction occurred, why wait until the END of MATCH 3?!?
BESIDES, even IF the red alliance DID score those autonomous Points they STILL wouldn’t have came anywhere near winning the match!!
It’s quite possible that they didn’t stop the match immediately because at the time they thought it was the team’s fault, but under further investigation they found that it actually was a field malfunction. In such a scenario it is more than acceptable to replay the match. You were not “robbed” of anything.
While things like this can be frustrating I don’t think you were “robbed” of anything. The fact that your alliance lost the replay and that the replay factored into being a semifinalist shows that your alliances were fairly evenly matched. It’s not an easy job being a ref, and sometimes it’s hard to know whether something is caused by the field or a robot. I can assure you that the refs discuss everything thoroughly, and anything they did was not to “rob” your alliance of the win.
The best part of FIRST is that losing gets you just as much as winning does. I hope you change your mind and see this as an opportunity to display the gracious professionalism that has come to embody the spirit of FIRST, instead of feeling as though you were “robbed” of something.
Most likely it was the FTA and the IFI guy who initiated the replay. The head ref doesn’t have the ability to determine field failures (unless it’s something spectacular like the wall falling down).
They did the same thing at GLR and waited to the last 5 seconds to decide to re run the match. We didn’t see anything to believe there was a field fault, but there were robots that got tangled and what not.
You are either suggesting that the refs and field officials were incorrect in their diagnosis of a field problem, or that they were intentionally altering the outcome of a match. You provide no evidence of either.
If you accept that there was a field error in one of the matches, then it is strange to think that you would want your team to advance in the elimination rounds while your opponents abilities are reduced due to a field malfunction.
While I can appreciate that you might be disappointed after having honestly believed that you won the match, I don’t see what alternative you propose… would you really consider it “winning” to beat an alliance whose competitive abilities are reduced due to an error beyond their control? How would you feel if a field error caused your robot to compete at less than its full capabilities?
We were one of the alliances in the match. We were tied 1 game to 1. With 5 seconds remaining and us up by close to 30 points, they stopped the match because a piece of lexan had fallen off in one corner of the field. We were understandably upset when they said the match would be replayed, but those are the rules and we live by them. We ended up losing and 33’s alliance went on. Disappointing, but there’s always next year.
it ws definatly a field error. if there waa proof of some movement by any of the robots on the red alliance during the hybrid period match 2, then i would say it’s a diffrent story.
My team was on this alliance for the quarterfinals.
i don’t think we got robbbed, even though some may se it that way. It showed 1279’s inncossistancy, of their grippers. it was still a fun regional to watch (I had classes so i couldn’t go)
our alliance would have had some major problems in the second round any ways
odd, certainly, but from what I understand from people at the event you weren’t robbed…
from that regional the only complaints I heard was an alleged consistent 80" violation throughout the regional…
1102 was actually lined up on the field to play the semifinals when they found out there would be a replay of their quarterfinal that they thought they were done with…so don’t feel too bad you aren’t the only people this has ever happened too, gl next event…
Yeah, don’t blame refs and the other alliance for that. Clearly, they could have beaten you before, and clearly, you could have beaten them again to prove your alliance was “superior.” Just chill out…nothing is a load of bull in that situation because there are plenty of times that other teams have wished they could replay a match and didn’t get the opportunity to do so. And the teams that want to rematch may lose either way but they want to go out fighting.
i see this allot and it is somewhat common at regionals and i don’t get why they can’t change the scores of your match if the next match was already scored like what happened to us at ypisi where they missed one of the bots crossing a line during autonomous
hey but this is the reason for off season events
one their cheaper
two less strict rules, calls and it is more relaxed
In QF 1-2 at the CT Regional, hybrid stopped working for all 6 teams on the field. They let the match continue until the end, they announced a final score… and a few matches later, they replayed QF 1-2. The red alliance won both times, but I still find it silly that they bothered to finish the match if they knew they had to replay it.
In your situation, I feel similarly that there wasn’t a reason (that I know of) to finish out the match, since a rematch was needed. The malfunction made the game unfair, and the match needed to be replayed. As hard as it is to be in your situation, imagine how it would have felt to be on the alliance that got eliminated because of something beyond their control. I think the third match that became a fourth speaks to the fact that your alliances were pretty much equally matched; it was just luck that you won one match and not the other.
I am sorry to hear about this happening to you. I am also sorry to say I do not think you were robbed. I believe the refs did what they think was best.
Unfortunately the replay was the first time our shooter failed (jammed due to battle scars, easily fixed) during either regional, and the first time that day our hybrid failed (trying to turn on the 1/2" plate)
Does anyone remember the score of the match that was replayed? We were told it was the 70-0 match, in which case hybrid or not, it would not have made a difference in the outcome.
And speaking for the entire team, as can be seen in the Bayou thread, 1279 does not feel robbed. A little disappointed perhaps, but thankful for the new friends and alliances we met at the Bayou regional. We hope to make it back to Bayou next year.
Jack -
I think there was alot of confusion as to which match was replayed. Perhaps there still is. As I remember, the second match was 70-0, and the refs told the teams that the second match was being replayed. However, I think it was actually the third match that was replayed, as the 70-0 match results are posted, not the third match results.
Some officials told us that they were replaying the third match because of what happened in the second match. We were on the red alliance. They said they could not replay the second match because they already put the scores up already. hope that clears up any confusion. And in the final 2 matches of the quarter-finals we were told to start hurdling, before we were playing a more defensive strategy, and I like to believe that us hurdling help us a lot. But all three of the opposing alliance teams were a good match up against us. And hopefully we will be able to play against you or with you again next year.