Posted by Rob Mastria.
Student on team #88, TJ², from Bridgewater-Raynham Regional High School and Johnson & Johnson.
Posted on 1/14/2000 8:02 PM MST
Can anyone give me a definition from the first rules that defines when i robot is ‘off the floor’. what exactly does that mean?
Thanks
Rob
Posted by colleen. [PICTURE: SAME | NEW | HELP]
Other on team #246, a FIRST-aholic, from John D. O’Byrant High School/Boston Latin Academy/Madison HS and NSTAR/Boston University/Wentworth Institute of Technology/MassPEP.
Posted on 1/14/2000 10:53 PM MST
In Reply to: What does off the rug mean??? posted by Rob Mastria on 1/14/2000 8:02 PM MST:
No part of your robot is in contact with the floor of the playing field (as well as the outside plywood frame of the field i believe)
no height limit this year… be off 1cm or 10 feet… just don’t touch the ground
Posted by Tom Wible. [PICTURE: SAME | NEW | HELP]
Coach on team #131, chaos, from central high school manchester and osram-sylvania.
Posted on 1/15/2000 11:47 AM MST
In Reply to: Re: What does off the rug mean??? posted by colleen on 1/14/2000 10:53 PM MST:
If your robot can get onto the piece of EMT, and get a ball under itself, would that be off the floor?
Posted by Joe Johnson. [PICTURE: SAME | NEW | HELP]
Engineer on team #47, Chief Delphi, from Pontiac Central High School and Delphi Automotive Systems.
Posted on 1/15/2000 5:51 PM MST
In Reply to: Re: What does off the rug mean??? posted by Tom Wible on 1/15/2000 11:47 AM MST:
I don’t have the rules right here in front of me but I think that the rules said something about applying weight to the flat floor of the game field w.r.t. being on the ramp. I would guess that unless a robot is supporting your weight (which is a specific exempetion for the purposes of the definition of ‘hanging’) it would not count as off the floor.
I suppose this is another clarification for FIRST to make.
Anybody have a better recollection of the rules & can help us out?
Joe J.
Posted by Joe Johnson. [PICTURE: SAME | NEW | HELP]
Engineer on team #47, Chief Delphi, from Pontiac Central High School and Delphi Automotive Systems.
Posted on 1/15/2000 6:35 PM MST
In Reply to: applying wieght to the carpet posted by Joe Johnson on 1/15/2000 5:51 PM MST:
I hate it when I don’t catch mis-spellings and typos.
Your indulgence is requested.
Joe J.
Posted by Nate Smith.
Other on team #66, GM Powertrain/Ypsilanti HS/Willow Run HS, from Eastern Michigan University and GM Powertrain.
Posted on 1/24/2000 9:57 PM MST
In Reply to: applying wieght to the carpet posted by Joe Johnson on 1/15/2000 5:51 PM MST:
: I don’t have the rules right here in front of me but I think that the rules said something about applying weight to the flat floor of the game field w.r.t. being on the ramp. I would guess that unless a robot is supporting your weight (which is a specific exempetion for the purposes of the definition of ‘hanging’) it would not count as off the floor.
Rule SC1, Subpoint 3:
Any robot hanging will add ten (10) points to its alliance score. ***A robot is considered ‘hanging’ if it is not touching the ramp or the playing field surface. A robot is only allowed to attach itself to the horizontal bar directly above the ramp or can be picked up by it’s alliance partner. ***
: I suppose this is another clarification for FIRST to make.
: Anybody have a better recollection of the rules & can help us out?
: Joe J.
Posted by Jerry Eckert.
Engineer from Looking for a team in Raleigh, NC sponsored by .
Posted on 1/15/2000 8:05 PM MST
In Reply to: Re: What does off the rug mean??? posted by Tom Wible on 1/15/2000 11:47 AM MST:
: If your robot can get onto the piece of EMT, and get a ball under itself, would that be off the floor?
I would think intentionally driving up on a ball would not be allowed due to the high probability of damage to the ball.
Jerry
Posted by Raul.
Engineer on team #111, Wildstang, from Rolling Meadows & Wheeling HS and Motorola.
Posted on 1/15/2000 9:35 PM MST
In Reply to: Re: What does off the rug mean??? posted by Jerry Eckert on 1/15/2000 8:05 PM MST:
What if you are hanging off the bar and push down on a ball to ensure that you can get off the ground? If this is not allowed then you could shove a ball under a hanging robot to negate their 10 points. Can that be right?
I don’t think the balls should be disallowed as a way to aid in getting off the floor as long as they are not damaged in the process. I would take my hat off to any team that can do this.
A different but related question: How about if you are on the bar and push off of an opponents robot to get yourself off the carpet? After all, they may be trying to pull you off. It should only be fair that you can defend yourself by ‘stepping’ on or ‘pushing’ off them to get you back up or keep you up.
Raul
Posted by colleen. [PICTURE: SAME | NEW | HELP]
Other on team #246, a FIRST-aholic, from John D. O’Byrant High School/Boston Latin Academy/Madison HS and NSTAR/Boston University/Wentworth Institute of Technology/MassPEP.
Posted on 1/15/2000 10:29 PM MST
In Reply to: What if? Need more clarification! posted by Raul on 1/15/2000 9:35 PM MST:
: It should only be fair that you can defend yourself by ‘stepping’ on or ‘pushing’ off them to get you back up or keep you up.
would that be pinning? Is there a rule about ‘pinning’ against the floor???
Posted by Justin Stiltner.
Student on team #388, Epsilon, from Grundy High School and NASA, American Electric Power, Town of Grundy.
Posted on 1/19/2000 10:20 AM MST
In Reply to: Would that be pinning??? posted by colleen on 1/15/2000 10:29 PM MST:
I do not know about pushing off another bot but it is a violation of the rules for the other robot to be pulling at you at all unless it is your aliance partner
it is also a violation to climb on your opponats robot in order to hang that might be considered climbing.
they clarified that in the update number 3
As far as the balls go I think that you only get points if your robot is HANGING from the bar or if you LIFT or other wise get your allince partner off the ground using your bot it doesent matter if you are off the floor.
our bot is going to use powerfull magnets to react with the earths magnetic field and float over the field and then land on top of our allince partner
thus our allince partner would be holding us up
Just my 2 cents
Justin Stiltner
Team 388
Posted by Michael Martus. [PICTURE: SAME | NEW | HELP]
Coach on team #47, Chief Delphi, from Pontiac Central H.S. and Delphi Automotives Systems.
Posted on 1/15/2000 2:46 PM MST
In Reply to: What does off the rug mean??? posted by Rob Mastria on 1/14/2000 8:02 PM MST:
Chief Delphi this year is going to balance on a ball at the end of the match. That is off the floor and will count.
Boy that Gyro is great!
Posted by Andy Grady. [PICTURE: SAME | NEW | HELP]
Coach on team #42, P.A.R.T.S, from Alvirne High School and Daniel Webster College.
Posted on 1/15/2000 8:20 PM MST
In Reply to: Re: What does off the rug mean??? posted by Michael Martus on 1/15/2000 2:46 PM MST:
Mike, your spys haven’t been hanging out at DWC have they? Actually we decided to go with 2 balls holding us up, to ease up on the gyro’s. Have a good one
Andy Grady, DWC/Alvirne
Posted by Raul.
Engineer on team #111, Wildstang, from Rolling Meadows & Wheeling HS and Motorola.
Posted on 1/15/2000 10:29 PM MST
In Reply to: Re: What does off the rug mean??? posted by Andy Grady on 1/15/2000 8:20 PM MST:
Interesting, but you should use 3 balls to be stable when the power goes off.
Raul
Posted by Michael Martus. [PICTURE: SAME | NEW | HELP]
Coach on team #47, Chief Delphi, from Pontiac Central H.S. and Delphi Automotives Systems.
Posted on 1/17/2000 6:55 PM MST
In Reply to: 3 Balls posted by Raul on 1/15/2000 10:29 PM MST:
We have found that the balls (3)can be extruded thru the bottom of the chassis in the last 3 seconds raising the robot off the floor 1/2 inch.
At that point no power is needed.
Posted by Raul.
Engineer on team #111, Wildstang, from Rolling Meadows & Wheeling HS and Motorola.
Posted on 1/18/2000 6:41 AM MST
In Reply to: Re: 3 Balls posted by Michael Martus on 1/17/2000 6:55 PM MST:
How about using the bowling pins to hold you up?
Raul
Posted by mike aubry. [PICTURE: SAME | NEW | HELP]
Engineer on team #47, Chiefs, from Pontiac Central.
Posted on 1/16/2000 5:18 AM MST
In Reply to: What does off the rug mean??? posted by Rob Mastria on 1/14/2000 8:02 PM MST:
Don’t you just love games that require this much time just to figure out the rules? Seems to me we have our hands full just getting a machine running in time. Since it’s vitally important to the design process to know the rules (requirements) so as to be able to build a successful robot that can adapt to your strategy. I sure wish that FIRST would stop with all the abiguity and clearly state what the heck this and a couple of other rules means. I know that some people will support the way it’s been done for a lot of reasons, and thats okay - part of the game, makes it more challenging, makes you consider other stuff, etc, etc, etc - but I don’t like it when a large contingency (like the # of folks on this chat board) either have a very wide interpretation or no clue what the rule means! That indicates that the rule is just too unclear and needs to be better defined for all of the participants. That would only enhance the competition and let us concentrate on the important stuff. Just my opinion - and by the way I like this game. I just can’t figure out what is legal when it comes to ‘Off the floor’!
Posted by Mike Kulibaba. [PICTURE: SAME | NEW | HELP]
Student on team #88, TJ², from Bridgewater-Raynham Regional and Johnson and Johnson.
Posted on 1/16/2000 11:21 AM MST
In Reply to: What does off the rug mean??? posted by Rob Mastria on 1/14/2000 8:02 PM MST:
Rob,
As long as the refs can tell that the robot is off the entire field then you will get the points. Good luck to everyone.
Kuli
Posted by Matt Ryan.
Student on team #69, HYPER, from Quincy Public Schools and Gillette.
Posted on 1/16/2000 7:50 PM MST
In Reply to: What does off the rug mean??? posted by Rob Mastria on 1/14/2000 8:02 PM MST:
As long as the refs can see some space between your robot and the floor. The robot could be one half of an inch off the floor and it would still be considered off.