It was bound to happen…
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee144/jr112_/Pc_wins.jpg
Absolute rubbish.
Agreed. Mazin and I both use Linux :mad:
Question still though, you’re the only ones throwing a hissy fit over it. This thread, nor similar drifts in other threads, were not started by Mac users.
Here’s another one, while we’re making blanket, unbaised statements Mazin, why don’t you have any real profile information? 1337 was once a registered team, in I believe Germany, that never competed. Yet you living in Indiana. You lack of personal information also pushes the idea you are willing to let the magic of internet annonimity prevail.
Lets also play with with this bit of information too. I have a 4 year old mac that can transfer over 20 gigs of information to an external drive in 30 minutes. Yet you, someone who has not put a face, name, team number, or anything behind your posts, brings up such head scratchers like the 20 minute 17 meg transfer.
I accept the input of those who don’t provide information just as much as Billfred and others who have a face, team number, information, and I’ve met in person; but the point is my points can be refuted by you, just as we are refuting yours. You offer not much background information and just a lot of hoopla (HOOPLA!) to stir up muck. In my above 20 gigs in 30 minutes test I forgot to mention that it was from my HD to an external hooked up using FireWire 800 with nothing else running. And I can assume you post wasn’t done under the same circumstances. My files weren’t that many, and just a few large ones. You might have had a ton of 1kb files that added up to 17mb.
I have a machine that’s 4 years old, runs faster, better, and is in better physical shape than anyone else in my class in college, and I paid slightly more than they did. I got MY value out of it. You get your value out of Linux or whatever the you’re using. Don’t argue about the machine characteristics vs. value when others don’t share it with you.
Now, how about we get it back onto the path of the commercials again?
[RANT]OK HERE IS THE DEAL. Vista Sucks. OS X Sucks. Linux Sucks. Now how is it that I came to this realization? Simple, they all do the same thing, but none of them do it perfectly. Also a feature that two of the three may have, the third does not. The thing is that if any of the operating systems were perfect, then we would not have wars over what is better, we would not have problems at all. Sadly though, we don’t live in “Physics World” (the world where everything happens as planned according to my teacher), so nothing will work right. Why is it that everyone always focuses on the computers anyways? Has anyone seen the way some other technologies that are younger than computers in general don’t work right? For example, we got a new DVD recorder for our entertainment system, and it worked for an hour, then it froze. Why is it that something that is “simple” can’t even run the way it’s supposed to? What about picture frames? Has anyone noticed that sometimes the most expensive ones end up failing (falling, cracking, discoloring) faster than others? [/RANT]
P.S. I am a Mac user, not a mac, and I see the flaws in both popular operating systems.
I’ve used Windows all my life, and have never had any major issues at all. I see no reason to switch, and no commercial would ever convince me one way or another anyways, as said commercial is produced by the company trying to sell me a product. I prefer to just look at the stats on the computer, read reviews, and try things out for myself.
As for the OS’s themselves, the main problem with any Apple computer is that they are just so expensive it’s ridiculous. Main problem with Windows is that any prebuilt computer that has a Windows OS on it will be loaded down in bloatware, and will run ALOT slower than it has the potential to. Luckily, I built my last computer from scratch so it generally runs perfectly (unless I do something stupid like, let’s say, not insert the RAM in all the way :o ) and it was MUCH cheaper.
dont forget about me! i use linux too. (except at school)
apple makes the commercials because they are embarassed by there small user base. 
By that logic, then obviously Mozilla is embarrassed by their small market share if they have to advertise Firefox through Google.
I have a mac…I use it and like it. I have a linux server, it works very well. I also have a windows comp, although I hardly boot it up it works fine for the things that I do use it for.
As said before, why do people freak out just because others aren’t using the same OS as them. Who cares if they paid double the price for it, it all comes down to what the person prefers using and how productive they are with it.
If your owned a business and the comp OS had nothing to do with what you have to do, would you stop person x from using a different OS if they are more productive on it, then on another OS?
The way I see it, my time is valuable, and if spending twice as much on a computer to be able to do more with my time, then its worth it. As the words of Dr. Pausch – “You come into my office wanting to talk about if you feel like your money is good here then ill kick you out. But if you want to want to talk about whether your time is good here, then I will talk to you for hours on end.”
Actually…I would. Volume licenses bro. lol
Yes, but why should it be neccesary to make such an upgrade on a mac, which is supposed to work fine out of the box. (as per the commercials)
These days, you don’t have to; the new MacBooks come with 2 GB standard. My original iBook had 1 GB of RAM; I upgraded to two, and boy does that make a Mac sing. When I traded up to a MacBook, I made sure to check the extra gig on the options list.
And PC’s come with 3gb standard… but thats not the issue.
That “extra gig” on the options list costs you quite a bit of money. Currently my PC has 2 gigs of ram, but it wasn’t always like that. I bought (or more appropriatly, built) my PC with a Patriot 2x512MB CAS5 DDR-667 set of RAM. Cost me about 90 dollars what, 2 years ago. DDR2 ram prices were still pretty high up there so I opted for the 1 gig set. About just under a year later, I decided to throw another gig in there, so I ditched my Patriots and went with a Crucial Ballistix CAS4 DDR2-800 2x1GB set of RAM. Bought it for 90 dollars also. So essentially I doubled my RAM for 2x the price. But that really isn’t fair towards this arguement. Nowadays I can buy a new 2 gig set of DDR2 RAM at around 25 dollars. Or I can get a 4 gig set for well, 100% more than that, oh, a whopping gargantuan 55 dollars (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220335)
But wait, how much would it cost me to upgrade my RAM on a mac? Well, thats a trick question, you don’t. You buy a new mac. Okay, well lets set this up a different way. How much more would it cost me to buy a Mac Pro with 4 gigs as compared to a Mac Pro with 2? 500 dollars. Thats a far cry from the 30 dollar markup on a standard PC. Like… thats 20 times more…
But that really isn’t the kicker. 8800GT costs about 80 dollars now, but in a Mac prepare to shove another 150 into the “upgrade” option. God forbid I want to throw something a little med-high end, like lets say 2xATI hd4850’s in crossfire. Oh wait, I can’t do that. I forgot, can’t game on a Mac… High end card is a measly 8800gt, while it was a nice med-end card a year ago, it can’t hold its own to even a 140 dollar HD4850. Nowadays.
Of course, then theres just the outright ABSURD markups. +100 dollars for another 16x DVDRW drive, +600 for a glossy 20" monitor, MAC OSX (server) 1000 dollars, (hey, linux is free…).
Now all of these markups are based already off of a 2,800 dollar pricetag! I can build a skulltrail PC with 4 gigs, and TRIPLE GTX280 SLI and two quadcore processors for that price. What does the mac pro give you instead of the PC? An OS that limitates you in the programs you can use, and an apple logo on a pasty white case.
You cannot tell me a mac is nicer…
http://wesellmac.com/images/mac_pro_302_x_302.jpg
How does that little silver and white plastic shelled case offer any more aesthetical purposes than this alu silver Lian Li case?
Wow… :rolleyes:
What do you gain by bragging about your computer for several paragraphs online while comparing it to a photo that isn’t even a real Mac in a thread that was supposed to be about Apple’s ads?
How Apple killed the Macbook and crippled the MBP: http://www.gizmag.com/no-firewire-kills-the-macbook/10238/
Hey, I don’t own that PC. Not my computer, not bragging about it. I’m just mearly showing the possibilities. I highly suggest you re-read my post after you take off your silver and white glasses. First paragraph, show an example of a cheap RAM upgrade. Second paragraph, come up with the hardware arguement on upgrades and price. Third paragraph, reinforce earlier arguement with more examples. Fourth paragraph, continue doing so. Fifth paragraph, offer a common perception that Mac’s are nicer with a rebuttal.
And I think you kind of missed the point of the post. It is just replying and elaborating on BillFred’s earlier post on how “just ticking that extra gig option”. And then why that is so absurd.
(I also changed the pictures, more to your liking.)
OK. Why do you use Windows? Is it its excellent technical merits? Its impeccable security record? Its thoughtful GUI? Its competitive price ($240 for “Home Premium” last I checked)? Or is it because you simply cannot switch?
When you say that Apple computers are expensive, I’m sure you mean that they don’t offer much low-end models, rather than they’re overpriced.
Err… what do you do that uses up all that RAM?
I could think of a million programs that would run better with 2 gigs of ram.
Inventor, any game made after 2006, any person that multi tasks a lot, inventor again just because its that important, and rendering program, any 3d modeling program, ect…
Personally I use windows because… well… everything uses windows. It isn’t that i’m reluctant to switch from Windows to OSX, its the fact that i’m HIGHLY reluctant to have my hardware monopolized and my OS have lacking software support from third parties. Not to mention the extra hit in my wallet for no gain in either speed, or ease of use.
Apple could gain a much larger market share if they would allow OSX to be installed on a “PC”. But they keep showing that they have no interest in selling a OS, or allowing it to be used on non Mac hardware, their current lawsuit against Psystar perfectly shows that. If I could go out and purchase OSX at my local computer store, I just MIGHT do it to give it a whiz. Otherwise there is just no reason for me to ever buy a Mac, too big a hit in the wallet for what you get in return. I would not recieve any more security from using OSX than Windows. I run Avast!, Spybot and Adaware, those three programs (along with simply running the windows firewall) has kept me from recieving any high threat malware, as it simply just gets detected on download. (And yes, the only way that I would get infected is if I let it into the system, it’s the only way anyone gets infected. They get it without knowing by downloading a file or program they percieve as safe).
So to directly answer your questions Mazin in short. I use windows because it is superior in 3rd party support, and OSX offers nothing in return for what I give up by switching. Also it very much is that Macs are overpriced, not in the fact that they have no “low end model”. Just because something costs 600 doesnt technically mean its “low end”. Considering a 600 dollar PC can perform on par, if not better than a 1100+ dollar Mac, i’d consider the Mac to be overpriced. I’d hate to see how underperforming a 600 dollar Mac would be, i’d probably cry if I had to see some simple processor and RAM benchmarks.
PS: XP 32 bit OEM only cost me 55 dollars when I purchased it two years ago. Microsoft regularly has OS blowout sales where you can get Vista 64 Bit home for 100 dollars. I’d rather drop an extra 100 dollars on an OS when building a computer, than dropping an extra 600 for a Mac. If you buy from Dell, that 550 dollar dell with its q6600 with 3 gigs of RAM comes with Vista anyways, so OS prices are moot in the retail industry. Also they’ve gotten much much better on the bloatware side of things.
I’m going to address these point by point.
First, ease of use. Macs have a definite improvement in ease of use; one may not notice it right away because one is used to Windows, but after adjustment, it is definitely easier to use. I’ll address speed later.
Second, security. Sure, you have your system completely locked down, but you require three programs PLUS a firewall to keep it secured; most Mac users I’ve talked to have no issues, even with torrenting, and they run absolutely no security software.
Now onto speed: I found this very interesting test. On the desktop test, they found that all their different program launches (especially the stress test) were faster on the Mac. Start up times were significantly different: it was the difference between 28.7 seconds (Mac) and 1 minute 13 seconds (MS). Shutdown was the difference was 4.0 seconds (Mac) and 44.3 seconds. These differences persisted for both laptops and desktops and the computers had similar specs. The Macs even ran Vista more quickly than the PCs.
Note: in that benchmark test, the Macs were paired against equally priced or more expensive PCs.
Now please explain: why do you feel there is significantly worse performance in Macs?