# Who is the highest possible scoring alliance out there?

Hey CD,
I was doing the math today about possible alliances at IRI that could (and probably will) break the record for most points scored in a match. The highest score I could get (assuming no defense, penalties, or other robots) was 331. For the purposes of this thread, let’s assume it is 3v0, and that every shot is made. Here’s how I see it…
The alliance is 1114, 67, and 469. 469 Pulls off a 7 disc auton, and 67 and 1114 both put in 18 points. In teleop, 469 pulls off 7 cycles (which they have done at MSC and maybe champs) including scoring the other remaining 6 discs on the floor. 1114 pulls off a few cycles and then goes to climb, with 3 colored discs with them. 67 perfectly shoots any remaining discs via FCS and then goes to also climb with three colored discs. Both 67 and 1114 get 45 point climbs, and 469 hangs for 10.

Point breakdown:
Auton: 13 discs scored for 78 points
Teleop: all 45 feeder station discs and the 6 remaining floor discs are scored for 153 points
Endgame: two 45 point climbs plus a 10 point hang result in 100 points
Total: 331 Points

I know this is with no defense, failures, missed discs, etc. but is this something that can actually be achieved at IRI? and is there an alliance out there that could (theoretically) top this (theoretical) score?

:rolleyes:

Oh how much I would pay to see this.

The only way change to that alliance i would make to max scoring potential would be to swap 469 for 254, that keeps the 7 disc and sweeping ability while adding 20 more climb points. 254 would sweep misses and 67 would shoot all the white discs 1114 doesnt shoot.

You could probably get a higher potential score with 67 FCS, 1114 doing 2-3 cycles, and 254 sweeping the field (but if 67 is on fire) 254 can sweep the other side of the field and steal missed shots from the other side of the field.

I think it is possible to see the high score broken but how we may never know!

1986, 254, 1114

7+5+3 disc auton=90 points in auton
all 45 discs 4 disc on the floor + 2 colored discs=51*3=153 pts.
2 30 pt. climbs and a 50 point climb=110 pts.

90+153+110= 353 pts…

Gotta be careful there, you have 2 inside climbers. I’m pretty sure this wouldn’t work.

Hopefully we will find out in 2 months.

Except that Titanium won’t be at IRI.

The two scenarios above have a common theme: the match ends with NOTHING left to shoot. Yes, I think we will see that at IRI, maybe more than once.

I’m sure that will happen multiple times, in fact I would expect most of the elimination matches to end with no discs in the feeder station and no discs on the floor. I’m pretty sure that’s how most of the Enstien matches ended and I’d expect better from IRI.

I think almost any alliance made of top tier teams could shoot every disk on the field. I think the highest score possible could be achieved by any alliance that one FCS, two 50 point cimb and dumpers, and a ground pick up with a 30 point internal climb. 67 1114 and 254 could definitely pull this off.

I would say team 67, 1114, and 1986. each have 30 pt climbers, 67 can get 4 colored frisbees in the top goal, 1114 can get the other 2, 1986 has a 30 pt climb, and they’re all awesome scorers, with a 13 disc auto.

A question of “did it happen this year?” 6 colored discs in the 5 pt goal – ever?

Seems like there isn’t enough room for them!

It did. At WPI, 558 put 6 discs in the pyramid goal. However not by climbing/dumping, but by shooting pyramid discs.

Alliance 254, 67, 1114

Auton
254-7 discs =42 points
67-3 discs =18 points
1114-3 discs =18 points

Telop (assuming 3v0)
254 gets 4 discs on other side plus the 11? discs in the middle while also getting 67/1114s misses =45 points
67 fcs all the shots 1114 doesnt take
1114 makes a few cycles =135 points

climbs
254 =30 points
67 30 climb 20 dumb =50 points
1114 30 climb ten dumb =40 points

grand total of 378

While I did say to think of it as 3v0, I was also considering the field to be like a normal match of superstars, where there is usually only two discs in the center. That being said, this score is still 351 without those extra 9 discs in the center, which is higher than my original 331 thanks to an extra 20 hang points from 254 (which I know was said earlier in the thread). Oh how I hope this alliance happens at IRI!

SHOOTING them? That’s insane.

Here is the video that you want. I don’t know if it’s actually in the video, but they are all in the blue pyramid. 558’s main strategy for WPI was shoot all 6 colored discs and then 2 white discs, then hang. It worked really well for this match (and a few others, where they would get 3 or 4 colored discs in).

This but drop 1986 to a 20pt hang… 343pts

Do you mean shooting pyramid goals is insane, or that getting 6 in that way is insane?
A number of teams could shoot pyramid goals, including 51, 639, us(20), and others (I just know the ones from our champs division.)

I don’t know if there were 6 pyramid discs at any other point. Did 67 and 1918 do it in their division eliminations maybe? ANyone know?

Well in theory if the opposing team were to drop every single disk onto the floor and not make a single point while at the same time letting the god team ground pickup and score every disk, that’d double the possible points in teleop.

Aren’t those the same thing? And shooting them all in and having them stay in is insane. Dumping isn’t as insane because it is more reliable (when compared to shooting them). I saw 67 climb and dump, but they experienced problems all during elims. There is a different thread about that.

How about the highest likely score in a real match?

Assuming you’re going to achieve maximum autonomous scoring and let a FCS shoot all of your 45 white + 6 colored discs, then you have three ways to get additional points: 1) climb higher than 10, 2) pyramid shots, 3) pick up opponents’ dropped discs.

1. FCS that also climbs and dumps (either 67, 148, or 1806)
2. Floor pickup bot (7 disc auto + climb)
3. Floor pickup bot (center 5 disc auto + climb)

I’d choose 148 as the FCS (tall, reliable climb, accurate FCS, harder to defend than 67 and 1806)

Remember that floor pickup is pretty crucial for the other two bots, because your FCS is going to shoot most of the discs. I want both of those robots to be capable of quickly picking up missed discs from both alliances. I’d take 2056 and 469, because their auto and floor pickup are the best. Even though you don’t get the extra climbing points, I think that team could score every last one of their own discs plus a few more discs from the opponents.

This alliance could realistically score 300+ points in an actual match against good teams. You’d only need help from three circumstances, none of which is crazy: 1) No tall blocker to mess with 148, 2) 148 makes it to the feeder slot early enough to drain the disc supply, 3) no opposing center auto to mess with 469.