Winter Storm Nemo

FIRST General Forum
#51

To the best of my knowledge, FIRST has never extended the stop build day. Why would you expect them to now? Everyone should assume the stop build day will not be moved, and all current rules will remain.

That said, there is a precedent, back in 2010, of increasing the withholding allowance (which seems to be a term that is being phased out, although you’re still allowed to keep 30 lbs outside of the bag) late in the build season. That’s not to say it will happen this year (personally, I hope it doesn’t… there were issues in 2010 of teams bringing in practically an entire robot, the withholding allowance was so large).

I realize the storm is a big problem for a lot of people. But in terms of FIRST teams, those affected by this particular storm really aren’t that much… There are thousands of teams in FIRST, and a few hundred in path of the storm. During the 2011 build season, I had snow piled up higher than my car. We dealt with it and moved on, we didn’t beg to have deadlines moved. If you miss out on a day or two of build, come up with a plan to deal with it and move on. It sucks, but that’s life.

#52

I see what you did there.

#53

As a Canadian it amuses me every year when some Middle-US state gets ‘hammered’ by <2" of snow and brings the whole state to a grinding halt.

This morning, I beached my car trying to get out of my driveway, (~7-8" of snow), had to pull back into my garage and run my snowblower before I could leave for work, then drove an hour to my workplace over roads covered by 3-7" of snow. Since I’ve been at work another 3-4" have fallen, and its still coming.

#54

Yes, FIRST has, though it DOES predate your team.

In 2003 and I think 2004 as well, it was pushed back a few days because FedEx wouldn’t pick up the robots thanks to a freak storm the day before ship.

#55

I was wondering when you or Kathiek was going to chime in… :smiley:

#56

Hopefully, with a scheduled Team Update tonight, FIRST will say something in that(if there is one, I don’t know if HQ being closed will prevent one from going out).

#57

Fun Fact - A ban on vehicle traffic has been issued for the STATE of Mass starting at 4pm.

So…better hope that robot, kids, and mentors are already at your planned work location for the night. It’s like a lock-in provided free of charge by Mother Nature :slight_smile:

Back in Syracuse, NY we just called this kind of weather “Winter”.

#58

It makes a big difference when everybody is familiar with driving in the snow and many have snow tires. There are a lot of awd crossovers and 4wd trucks. We also have a lot more plows available to keep the roads clear.

With that being said, uWaterloo still shut down today, along with a lot of other universities and schools, with the 8" on the ground and more coming down. It took 4 of us to get a guy’s rwd BMW with bald summer tires moving after he buried it in a right turn lane.

#59

Certainly 6-18 inches of snow presents real risk to traveling in any circumstance. As a lifelong North East resident I enjoy the snow and look forward to it, however just because you live where it’s cold doesn’t mean you love snow or are equiped to deal with it. We also have kids involved and I won’t be the person to ask anyone to take any unnecesary risks. We won’t let the kids operate a paperclip without saftey glasses.I believe that for more reasons than just the weather there should be a sliding date on the “stop build”. That might be a good topic for another discussion.

#60

As an Ohioan, I thought the same thing when a friend in VA told me the entire city shut down over an inch of snow one year.

You have to realize, though, that they don’t get snow every year like we do. Their drivers aren’t used to dealing with slick roads, either due to inexperience or vehicles incapable of handling the snow. They also have a lot less funding going towards road salt/sand/de-icing, and some cities may not even own snow plows.

That being said, I still chuckle when I see a state go crazy over 2". We get more than that in most snowfalls each day.

There’s a saying that goes something along the lines of driving safety just doesn’t include yourself. I have a mild headache, so I can’t remember. Basically, you’re not the only one driving out there. Yes, you may be well equipped with your '99 XJ with snow tires, but that guy driving an Escalade on bald tires poses a risk not just to himself, but you too. There have been quite a few significant multi-vehicle accidents in multiple states within the last month, and they were with WAY less than 2-feet of snow.

If I were calling the shots (or even have an influence), I would suggest not trying to meet. Better to add extra work during Thursday at regional than to have a student injured, or worse. There’s a reason why after school activities were cancelled. In the real world, unfair delays and setbacks happen all the time. You should probably just learn to deal with it now. Some risks just shouldn’t be taken.

#61

In 2010, when “Snowmeggedon” struck, FIRST did not make any changes to the deadlines. The DC area had two major storms back-to-back. Our team lost 19 build days due to the schools being closed. They did extend the withholding allowances, but no extensions on dates. Every year, due to winter weather, we know that teams will be impacted. Teams who have a risk of being impacted by winter weather, should develop risk mitigation plans to handle that risk, and not plan on any changes to the rules or deadlines.

The key to remember, stay safe - first and foremost! This is just a game, no one should put themselves at risk!

#62

Living in Oklahoma, it’s obvious we don’t receive the amount of snow the northern states do. You must realize though that we as a state do not have the equipment to clear roads. We do struggle with small snow amounts, but it is usually gone within a few days. We have our turn laughing at you when you complain that it’s too hot when you reach 95 degrees when it is 120 in the shade here! LOL

#63

Our team split up some projects among a few houses. I have one drivebase and my little brother will work on some modifications to it while I finish some other stuff. One block from me our climber and disk manipulation system are being assembled.

The programmers took the practice chassis home. I better see working vision tracking after this long weekend! :rolleyes: :stuck_out_tongue:

#64

For the record, I understand why it happens, I just think its funny that such trivial amounts of snow can bring a whole state to a grinding halt.

Certainly, safety is important.

#65

You do realize Connecticut, Massachusetts and parts of New Hampshire are expecting 2-3ft of snow overnight? That’s not exactly what I would call “trivial”.

#66

They canceled after-school activities, so I came home and did the following:

Mixed a quarter cup of honey with a quarter cup of maple syrup, microwaved it for thirty seconds, until just warm. Then I added a huge handful of brown sugar and a quarter cup of spicy brown mustard. I smeared this gooey mess over a ham, patted on crumbled Ginger Snap cookies, then put it in the oven. It’ll be done in thirty minutes or so.

I intend to let it rest, slice it, and eat it along with a spinach salad with blue cheese dressing, accompanied by conversation with The Redhead™, of whom I see too little during the build season.

#67

Sounds like NY is catching up to MA and is going to issue a state of emergency. But I don’t think there will be a travel ban.

#68

1/2 hour ago I was just tired, Now I’m hungry too.

#69

FRC Blog - Two Feet of Snow

http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprograms/frc/blog-two-feet-of-snow

No extension to build time.

#70

Good plan, can I use that?

I was planning on filling a bowl with snow, and drizzling maple syrup (the real stuff, not Aunt Jemima) over it, and eating it with a spoon.

I think the ham idea is better. I just need a ham*.

*Wait! I AM a Ham…